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Old 04-18-2011, 11:52 PM
 
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It seems to me that a lot of people equate atheism with liberalism. This strikes me as odd because I'm an atheist, but I'm also fairly conservative.

Any other conservative atheists out there?
I'm so far to the right I'd make you look like a flaming liberal.

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Ayn Rand. "Atlas Shrugged" outlines how governments are inherently totalitarian. The movie (based on her book) was just released in 300 theaters last weekend.
I'm not sure what that has to do with atheism, but governments are a social group, no different than any other social group, and social groups attract birds of a feather. Government attracts like-minded people who are focused on government first, regardless of their political or philosophical views, and that's how government rolls, before it gathers a critical mass to start steam-rolling.
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Old 04-19-2011, 12:29 AM
 
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I don't see what's odd about equating atheism with liberalism. The fact of the matter is that in the US, the "liberals" have been more accepting of those with non-Christian beliefs than the "conservatives". As a result, atheists are more likely to find themselves at home among the leftists.
I'm rather curious to find out how you come by this. People who are secure in their faith have no reason not to not accept non-Christian beliefs. Those that take offense at the beliefs of others, most likely can't defend their own rational.

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However, those who deconvert as older adults are probably more likely to continue holding some of their political beliefs, which would result in a higher percentage of right-wing atheists among that group.

It's really interesting seeing political discussions unfold among the nonreligious. I've seen some of the same mud-flinging and logical fallacies as I would see in any random P&OC thread, but the discussions tend to be much deeper. With religion out of the way, I strongly believe that some core fiscal issues would finally be solved; as it is now in the US, politicians are content with dividing people over petty religious-based social issues.
Politicians don't need religion to separate people. There are more divisions on racial guidelines than any dealing with faith. Also there is the war of the classes that has been raging since the 60'2 and 70's.
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Old 04-19-2011, 02:35 AM
 
Location: Columbus, Ohio
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I'm rather curious to find out how you come by this. People who are secure in their faith have no reason not to not accept non-Christian beliefs. Those that take offense at the beliefs of others, most likely can't defend their own rational.
I agree with you, but when I see all the fundie Christian stuff come from one side of the aisle, I don't consider it a leap of faith to assume that those opposed to the fundies would run to the other side.

The opposition to gay marriage on moral (read: religious) grounds, stem-cell research, and the teaching of evolution in science classes has been overwhelmingly on the Republican side. It's obvious that there are supporters and opposers on both sides, and I'm not rooting for one or the other, but it should be clear that the Republicans have been generally embracing the religious right, thus alienating many of those who don't share that belief.
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Old 04-19-2011, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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It seems to me that a lot of people equate atheism with liberalism. This strikes me as odd because I'm an atheist, but I'm also fairly conservative.

Any other conservative atheists out there?
Oh I HATE the whole liberal vs conservative thing.

If people were so simple minded that their beliefs, hopes and desires could be summed up by putting them in one of 2 camps, the world woudn't be such a mess.

It's like freakin' High School all over again. If it was impossible to label every kid in one school a Mod, Jock, Cowboy, Nerd or Outcast back then...how on god's green earth can it possible to label every American either a Liberal or Conservative now?
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Old 04-19-2011, 10:10 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Oh I HATE the whole liberal vs conservative thing.

If people were so simple minded that their beliefs, hopes and desires could be summed up by putting them in one of 2 camps, the world woudn't be such a mess.

It's like freakin' High School all over again. If it was impossible to label every kid in one school a Mod, Jock, Cowboy, Nerd or Outcast back then...how on god's green earth can it possible to label every American either a Liberal or Conservative now?
100% correct!
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Old 04-19-2011, 11:56 AM
 
Location: The Lakes Region
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I'm so far to the right I'd make you look like a flaming liberal.



I'm not sure what that has to do with atheism, but governments are a social group, no different than any other social group, and social groups attract birds of a feather. Government attracts like-minded people who are focused on government first, regardless of their political or philosophical views, and that's how government rolls, before it gathers a critical mass to start steam-rolling.
Right on. The part about steamrolling is what she was referring to
(ie: Absoute power corrupts, absolutely). Her philosophy of "Objectivism" espouses lassiez faire (Capitalism) as the best from of government. More specifically that capitalist governments exist to support capitalism rather than businesses existing to support governments. The social group you refer to she views as Marxism or government existing to support socialism.
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Old 04-19-2011, 12:01 PM
 
Location: The Lakes Region
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Which just goes to show that some books should not be made into movies. It's getting awful reviews.

Atlas Shrugged :: rogerebert.com :: Reviews
It seems to be doing fine at the box office, placing fourth with a release in only 300 theaters. I've seen a lot of Ebert panned movies that I have loved. Some of his reviews I have agreed with, but not many.........
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Old 04-19-2011, 04:20 PM
 
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Ya took the words right out of my mouth!!
Mine as well!
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Old 04-20-2011, 07:03 AM
 
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Not all conservatives are the same. Some are conservative because of their faith. They think homosexuality is a sin, that abortion is murder, etc. And so they're more likely to vote Republican. But others are conservative strictly for financial reasons. Maybe they're high income earners who want their taxes cut or they don't like the idea of their tax dollars going to things like public education or providing health care for the poor. I bet a lot of these people are atheists.

Because the liberal philosophy is more about tolerance and accepting people the way they are, atheists probably feel more at home among liberals. That's not to say atheists are liberal about everything. Many are fiscally conservative and object to government getting involved in the private sector. In fact, I think you'll find a lot of atheists are also libertarian. But most of the atheists I've met were also liberals. However, don't assume that means the two are equivalent. They're not.
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Old 04-20-2011, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Metromess
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Because the liberal philosophy is more about tolerance and accepting people the way they are, atheists probably feel more at home among liberals. That's not to say atheists are liberal about everything. Many are fiscally conservative and object to government getting involved in the private sector. In fact, I think you'll find a lot of atheists are also libertarian. But most of the atheists I've met were also liberals. However, don't assume that means the two are equivalent. They're not.
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