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Old 04-24-2011, 09:04 AM
 
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After attending Catholic schools for 17 years, my daughter is now an atheist and she is extremely liberal.
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Old 04-24-2011, 09:08 AM
 
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After attending Catholic schools for 17 years, my daughter is now an atheist and she is extremely liberal.
Smart girl
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Old 04-24-2011, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Not all of us are wanna be hermits.
apparently not all of us know how to treat others as we wish to be treated either...
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Old 04-24-2011, 04:46 PM
 
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If christians would treat their religion like their wanker, there wouldn't be a problem, but they can't control themselves and continue to pull it out and wave it around, thus expect push-back from those that don't want to see it or hear it.
I see the same attitude coming from sports fans. I don't want to hear about your football or baseball team. (primarily)

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The attempt to legislate their ignorance into laws that effect everyone, the attempt to force schools to teach their stupid fables as fact in our schools, the have succeeded an forcing their fable based bigotry into law, law that discriminates against 10% of the population.
I don't see it.
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Old 04-24-2011, 04:48 PM
 
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What I was referring to was the deeper debate about the religion of Islam and the Quran. In debates here and elsewhere, some liberals were defending the religion itself (religious text, culture, history, etc.). They didn't like Muslims being painted with a broad brush, yet it's okay to paint Christians with a broad brush? That's just as hypocritical as Christians complaining about the ten commandments in public locations.
I don't see liberals painting Christians with a broad brush, at least nowhere near to the extent that conservatives paint Muslims.

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Liberal...not rigid in thinking.

Atheists seem pretty non-liberal to me.
When I think of people who are rigid in their thinking, I think of people who are unwilling to question their own beliefs. Liberals are very much willing to question the status quo. Take the issue of marriage. Conservatives want marriage to be restricted to a man and a woman because that's how it's always been done. But liberals are willing to say it might be time to change things. Likewise, atheists are willing to question all that they've been taught about God and the nature of the universe.

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So you're telling me that you are not bigoted against Christians?
This is a prejudice that many Christians have against atheists. They assume we're all bigoted against Christians. But we're not. Most of my friends are Christian. I don't have a problem with most Christians, just the ones who try to inject their religious beliefs where they don't belong.

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After attending Catholic schools for 17 years, my daughter is now an atheist and she is extremely liberal.
Something similar happened to me. I lived in a really conservative, really religious city and after just a few years, I emerged a very liberal atheist.
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Old 04-24-2011, 04:52 PM
 
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I see the same attitude coming from sports fans. I don't want to hear about your football or baseball team. (primarily)
The difference is that football fans can't pass laws mandating that we all watch their sport or root for a certain team.

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I don't see it.
Then you're not paying attention. The push for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, the push to overturn roe vs. wade, the push by school boards in certain states to have creationism taught in biology classes. These are all examples where one religion is trying to influence matters it has no business in.
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Old 04-24-2011, 09:09 PM
 
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Not happening around here.
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Old 04-24-2011, 10:12 PM
 
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When I think of people who are rigid in their thinking, I think of people who are unwilling to question their own beliefs. Liberals are very much willing to question the status quo. Take the issue of marriage. Conservatives want marriage to be restricted to a man and a woman because that's how it's always been done. But liberals are willing to say it might be time to change things. Likewise, atheists are willing to question all that they've been taught about God and the nature of the universe.
I don't always get that feeling from some liberals. I've met many, and read the writings/heard the speeches of many more, whose views on pornography, sex work, and drugs are as rigid as their conservative counterparts'. The liberals I'm speaking of who hold those viewpoints never stop to consider, for example, that porn might enhance a sexual relationship, that sex work (if made legal) might protect prostitutes' legal rights and personal safety while easing the frustrations of men who can't easily obtain sex, and that the war on drugs is an expensive failure with no end in sight.

To me, true social liberalism extends beyond marriage rights (and I say that as a GLBT-identified woman) and into a vast number of other spheres which are currently not up for consideration by many current liberal political or thought leaders. Of course, I don't expect anyone to share my viewpoints on those topics, but I've encountered quite a bit of frustration when trying to discuss them with some people who profess to be open-minded.
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Old 04-24-2011, 11:00 PM
 
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I see the same attitude coming from sports fans. I don't want to hear about your football or baseball team. (primarily)
Can't argue with that, but they don't door to door trying to convert people. Might start a few fist fights over differences, but no wars.



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I don't see it.
Then you should pay more attention to the world and what people are doing around you. Ever hear of Prop 8 in California, it was all over the news for weeks.
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Old 04-24-2011, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Then you should pay more attention to the world and what people are doing around you. Ever hear of Prop 8 in California, it was all over the news for weeks.
I don't live in California--it doesn't apply to me.

I don't care what they do "other places", only in the place where I live. Everything else--doesn't matter.
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