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Old 07-15-2011, 07:53 AM
 
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re·li·gion (r-ljn)
n.
1.
a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

They are religions. See #4.

ummm.....riiiiiiiight......
then based on that definition, parenting your kids is also a religion!

If Atheism is a religion, then bald is a hair color!
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Old 07-17-2011, 11:16 AM
 
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you don't call it a delusion? well i will....when there is no freakin driver in the driver seat and you're sitting in the passenger seat going 90 MPH!

Thinking-man, thanks for the rep and the notes. My point is that being an Atheist does not automatically absolve you of having a religion nor does it absolve you of being someone who is willing to use the state to enforce his view of the world on others.

Example- An environmentalist who claims he is Atheist but believes trees have feelings and animals should have the same rights as people and that the earth is our "Mother" and we have to take care of her. That's Pantheism. He's involved in a religion whether he knows it or not and every government reform he pushes for that involves the acknowledgement that "We have to take care of the earth" is pushing his religion. He thinks that it should be totally obvious, except to the stupid and greedy, that we have to "care for the earth". He doesn't realize that is the oldest religion, far older than Christianity, and while he gives himself the title of Atheist he is nothing of the sort. He has a God, it's just a different one.

Just like Communist in the USSR were "Atheist" but they too had a God and it was the "State" and everyone had to bow to that God at the point of the gun which is no less than the point of Mohammed's sword.

So, Atheists get to slap each other on the back and take potshots at members of larger religions for "believing". I see 3 groups of Atheist- 1. Individualist Atheist 2. Collectivist Atheist 3.Wolves in Atheist clothing.
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Old 07-17-2011, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Metromess
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Equating other things for a belief in "God" such as a respect for nature (or Soviet-style Communism) isn't helping your case. Your statement "whether they know it or not" shows that you are intent on showing that everyone is religious in a sense. Au contraire.
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Old 07-17-2011, 03:24 PM
 
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I don't understand why people (religious and not so religious folks) insist on respecting the point of views of others.....regardless of how rediculous and stupid their claims are!

Does anyone else get frustrated by this fact?

If you don't want your ideas to be questioned and rediculed (in the case of religion and a god), then either 'smart up' and don't come up with fairytales as your truths and your reality, or keep it to yourself, and don't go around saying "the good lord this....and the good lord that..."

Ticks me off i tell ya!

When people can't keep it to themselves and they get in my face with it, they hear something like this:

[youtube]1uTypnaP5X4[/youtube]
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uTypnaP5X4"]Insulting religion - YouTube[/URL]

In fact, the next time I get a chain email from someone talking about their god or blathering on about their deity's magnificence, I'm sending them that link, blind.
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Old 07-18-2011, 09:30 AM
 
Location: In your face
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When people can't keep it to themselves and they get in my face with it, they hear something like this:


Insulting religion - YouTube

In fact, the next time I get a chain email from someone talking about their god or blathering on about their deity's magnificence, I'm sending them that link, blind.
LMAO!

"I hope you have to go lay down for 10 minutes before you can even pray."

Nice.
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Old 07-18-2011, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Metromess
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Got to love Pat Condell! He tells it like it is.
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Old 07-23-2011, 02:14 PM
 
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I don't understand why people (religious and not so religious folks) insist on respecting the point of views of others.....regardless of how rediculous and stupid their claims are!

Does anyone else get frustrated by this fact?

If you don't want your ideas to be questioned and rediculed (in the case of religion and a god), then either 'smart up' and don't come up with fairytales as your truths and your reality, or keep it to yourself, and don't go around saying "the good lord this....and the good lord that..."

Ticks me off i tell ya!
I agree that it can be annoying when some don't see what seems so plain to us! lol Really, it can be infuriating when blindness causes harm!
Why should we respect others' point of view?
Because one's point of view is very much a part of who they are... so it's respecting them. Also, if you want to change another's perspective, you need to first help them feel understood & respected.

Children come up with ridiculous ideas & jokes - if as a parent, I disrespected their ideas, it would not only negatively influence their development, but it would also show hypocricy... since at one time, I too, had such ridiculous ideas.

We each are at different levels of learning & see things in our own unique way. Who am I to say another doesn't see things the way they do? I can argue to try to get them to see my perspective, as they may argue theirs, yet there can still be respect & validation that there are many perspectives in our imagination lol. And it's all in our imagination - we're all ignorant - just more or less & with different subjects. IE: I respect that a person who grew up without formal education may still be intelligent in other ways - & that everyone has something to offer.
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Old 07-23-2011, 05:17 PM
 
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Children come up with ridiculous ideas & jokes - if as a parent, I disrespected their ideas, it would not only negatively influence their development, but it would also show hypocricy... since at one time, I too, had such ridiculous ideas.
But what is your reaction when the kids what to change the routine and rules in your home. Change bed times, how much and what they get to watch on TV, what you can watch, or plan the menu around their favorites.

Same problem with believers that are attempting to force their views on everyone, by changing laws, legislating their hatred, phobias, agendas, and even rituals upon all.

You would be outraged if another religion, say Muslims legislated their beliefs into your daily life, and as an atheist, they are all another religion.
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Old 07-23-2011, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Got to love Pat Condell! He tells it like it is.
He's a militant atheist if ever there was one.
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Old 07-23-2011, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Destrehan, Louisiana
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I don't understand why people (religious and not so religious folks) insist on respecting the point of views of others.....regardless of how rediculous and stupid their claims are!

Does anyone else get frustrated by this fact?

If you don't want your ideas to be questioned and rediculed (in the case of religion and a god), then either 'smart up' and don't come up with fairytales as your truths and your reality, or keep it to yourself, and don't go around saying "the good lord this....and the good lord that..."

Ticks me off i tell ya!
So everyone who doesn't think like you is dumb?

And what scares you so much about the way others think?

busta
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