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Old 07-23-2011, 07:22 PM
 
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He's a militant atheist if ever there was one.
What you see as a militant atheist is in reality a freedom activist, and actually working for you also, for he opposes any religion that oppresses freedoms enabling you to enjoy the freedom to call him militant.

Your right to swing you holy book and its absurdities ends abruptly where it infringes upon the rights and freedoms of others, it that simple, and the same applies to those that swing a different holy book of absurdities as their right also ends where infringes upon your rights. Its a simple concept for those with the ability to think.
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Old 07-23-2011, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Your right to swing you holy book and its absurdities ends abruptly where it infringes upon the rights and freedoms of others
I agree! Though I don't actually swing my holy book, nor do I consider it absurd. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, eh?
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Old 07-24-2011, 02:23 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Why are we expected to 'respect' other people's delusions?


"The way to deal with superstition is not to be polite to it, but to tackle it with all arms, and so rout it, cripple it, and make it forever infamous and ridiculous. Is it, perchance, cherished by persons who should know better? Then their folly should be brought out into the light of day, and exhibited there in all its hideousness until they flee from it, hiding their heads in shame.

True enough, even a superstitious man has certain inalienable rights. He has a right to harbour and indulge his imbecilities as long as he pleases, provided only he does not try to inflict them upon other men by force. He has a right to argue for them as eloquently as he can, in season and out of season. He has a right to teach them to his children. But certainly he has no right to be protected against the free criticism of those who do not hold them. He has no right to demand that they be treated as sacred. He has no right to preach them without challenge. Did Darrow, in the course of his dreadful bombardment of Bryan, drop a few shells, incidentally, into measurably cleaner camps? Then let the garrisons of those camps look to their defences. They are free to shoot back. But they can't disarm their enemy."


--H.L.Mencken
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Old 07-24-2011, 04:37 PM
 
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But what is your reaction when the kids what to change the routine and rules in your home. Change bed times, how much and what they get to watch on TV, what you can watch, or plan the menu around their favorites.

Same problem with believers that are attempting to force their views on everyone, by changing laws, legislating their hatred, phobias, agendas, and even rituals upon all.

You would be outraged if another religion, say Muslims legislated their beliefs into your daily life, and as an atheist, they are all another religion.
Let me get this straight... Believers are coming into your homej to change routine & rules, bed times, tv schedules & menues??
Maybe you ought to lock your doors! lol

Seriously, if anything, atheists are changing rules... by trying to take God out of the pledge of allegience, or making it illegal to display the 10 commandments, getting rid of prayer in schools or sports.
Those who believe in the bible (which condemns homosexual practice) are not the ones promomting gay marriage, which is hurting children by devaluing mothers and fathers by saying one or the other is not needed.
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Old 07-24-2011, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Seriously, if anything, atheists are changing rules... by trying to take God out of the pledge of allegience, or making it illegal to display the 10 commandments, getting rid of prayer in schools or sports.
That's because they violate the constitution. Our forefathers didn't allow that ****. God wasn't mentioned in the pledge of allegiance until the red scare during the 1950s. Why are Christians so opposed to the ideals set forth by our forefathers?

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Those who believe in the bible (which condemns homosexual practice) are not the ones promomting gay marriage, which is hurting children by devaluing mothers and fathers by saying one or the other is not needed.
And Christians are the ones most likely to get divorces. That really puts a lot of value into needing a mother and father...
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Old 07-25-2011, 07:35 AM
 
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Let me get this straight... Believers are coming into your homej to change routine & rules, bed times, tv schedules & menues??
They're trying to. Do we really need to post pages of links to religious organizations involved in politics in one way or another?

SC priest: No communion for Obama supporters
Catholic Bishops Offer Voting Guide, Allowing Some Flexibility on Issue of Abortion - New York Times
Prop 8 News | Mormons feel the backlash over their support of Prop. 8 - Los Angeles Times
Christian Coalition of Florida - Voter Guides
Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As Several States Push Creationism Laws, Texas School Board Gears Up For Science Curriculum
Opposition to Interracial Marriage Lingers Among Evangelicals | Politics | Christianity Today

Need more examples?
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Old 07-25-2011, 09:26 AM
 
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Let me get this straight... Believers are coming into your homej to change routine & rules, bed times, tv schedules & menues??
Maybe you ought to lock your doors! lol

Seriously, if anything, atheists are changing rules... by trying to take God out of the pledge of allegience, or making it illegal to display the 10 commandments, getting rid of prayer in schools or sports.
Those who believe in the bible (which condemns homosexual practice) are not the ones promoting gay marriage, which is hurting children by devaluing mothers and fathers by saying one or the other is not needed.
You might want to actually learn some history. The original pledge of allegiance had NO mention of God. I am old enough to remember when the words were put in in 1954 because the government was scared of the Communists. (The pledge was actually written by a socialist, Francis Bellamy)

The Pledge of Allegiance - A Short History

It's not a good idea to display any single religious belief's commandments on government property. We are despite what you think a multi-religious country and all religions are losing ground.

Most religious groups in USA have lost ground, survey finds - USATODAY.com

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The percentage. of people who call themselves in some way Christian has dropped more than 11% in a generation. The faithful have scattered out of their traditional bases: The Bible Belt is less Baptist. The Rust Belt is less Catholic. And everywhere, more people are exploring spiritual frontiers or falling off the faith map completely.
Gay marriage does not harm heterosexual marriages. In fact, if the state has any interest promoting stable homes, then marriage in either form should be promoted. It is more likely that divorce is a problem for kids than having two gay parents.
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Old 07-25-2011, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Metromess
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nana053: Excellent post. I was in 1st grade before the Pledge was changed myself. I think the appearance of the magachurch evangelicals has cut into the more traditional religions, as well as the move toward a 'do-it-yourself' approach to Christianity, basing all on one's interpretation of the Bible.
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Old 07-25-2011, 02:04 PM
 
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Why are we expected to 'respect' other people's delusions?

If you expect me to have respect 'for' your delusion, you will be clearly disappointed, cause it ain't going to happen.

Now I will defend your right to have your delusion, but when your delusion reaches the point it interferes with me or the society I live in, I will quickly tell you to take your delusion and pizz off.
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Old 07-25-2011, 02:13 PM
 
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Let me get this straight... Believers are coming into your homej to change routine & rules, bed times, tv schedules & menues??
Maybe you ought to lock your doors! lol
No, that was in response to your comment about kids and their ideas: I assume that you don't allow your kids to set the rules, and I will do all I can to ensure that the child like thinking of believing in deities and other fantasies from setting rules I should follow.
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Children come up with ridiculous ideas & jokes - if as a parent, I disrespected their ideas, it would not only negatively influence their development, but it would also show hypocricy... since at one time, I too, had such ridiculous ideas.
But in reality, believers are forcing their laws into my home and my life. While not physically walking and changing rules, they are doing it from the state and federal governments that make and enforce laws based on the ancient and often silly superstitions of believers.

Note to self, don't use analogies with SS, they are beyond his comprehension.
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