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Old 06-23-2011, 11:00 PM
 
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Of course you imagine so, because it's easier to make the case against phantom arguments than the facts on the ground.

Your intellectual laziness was already on display with the first sentence; no need to compound it with the second sentence. Indeed it must be easier to imagine Christians all behave the same way, have the same reaction to statements/actions/events, etc., than to acknowledge they possess a wide range of beliefs and values.

*YAWN*
No intellectual laziness involved, sparky. I know you and your ilk all too well. And I would bet everything I own that my statements are 100% accurate.
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:28 PM
 
Location: Metromess
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The governor can take whatever side he wants as long as he doesn't commit government resources to the function or activity or whatever. And he can even do that if it serves a secular purpose.
Okay. Who is paying for and providing the "resources" for it? Perry? It won't be free. In any case, it identifies Texas with a religious belief which is not shared by all law-abiding, tax-paying Texans. Of course it's a violation of church and state.

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If you think it's such an obvious violation of separation of church and state, show the supporting case law; I'd love to see it. Better yet, file a lawsuit. I promise it will get laughed out of court.
In this state, it might get laughed out of court. That would not make it just.
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:39 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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*YAWN*
No intellectual laziness involved, sparky. I know you and your ilk all too well. And I would bet everything I own that my statements are 100% accurate.
I suspect in equal measure that you neither know a thing about me nor do you deserve the privilege.

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Okay. Who is paying for and providing the "resources" for it? Perry? It won't be free.
It won't take more than 60 seconds worth of Google research to determine who is providing the resources for it. A quick browse through this very thread would give you a head start.


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In any case, it identifies Texas with a religious belief which is not shared by all law-abiding, tax-paying Texans. Of course it's a violation of church and state.
You keep saying so without any evidence from case law or statutory law or anything else to support your claim. And how does it identify Texas with any religious belief?

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In this state, it might get laughed out of court. That would not make it just.
It's not a state issue, it's a federal issue. And it would get laughed out of federal court too. And whether or not a call to prayer is "just" is a complete non sequitur. You can either be a part of it or not be a part of it.
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Old 06-24-2011, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Metromess
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Drover: Why are you even here in this subforum? Your "Bull(dozer) in a china shop" subidentification is an indication that you are only here to spread discontent. Your support of Perry's risible 'prayer and fasting' event as Governor of the state is indication enough that he transgresses the separation doctrine, as he is required to represent all Texans in a nondivisive manner. Your posts are like as a lawyer for the Christian defence. I'm done with arguing with you, as it is pointless. You represent tyranny of the majority.
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Old 06-24-2011, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Drover: Why are you even here in this subforum? Your "Bull(dozer) in a china shop" subidentification is an indication that you are only here to spread discontent. Your support of Perry's risible 'prayer and fasting' event as Governor of the state is indication enough that he transgresses the separation doctrine, as he is required to represent all Texans in a nondivisive manner. Your posts are like as a lawyer for the Christian defence. I'm done with arguing with you, as it is pointless. You represent tyranny of the majority.
I'm here in this subforum because I wanted to participate in this particular discussion. I don't need any other reason.

I have never expressed any support for the 'prayer and fasting' event. I don't have a care in the world whether this event happens or not. I never even heard of it until I opened this thread. I'm only here to express my disagreement with such dubious assertions such as this violates the Establishment clause or that "[Perry] is required to represent all Texans in a nondivisive manner" (no he's not, it's impossible for any politician to do any such thing).

I don't represent a tyranny of anything. All I represent in this particular instance the other side of the argument. I'm sorry you find the fact that I don't agree with your view so vexing. Sometimes that's bound to happen when people disagree.

Be well.
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Old 06-26-2011, 12:12 AM
 
Location: NC, USA
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Here's the problem: there is no constitutional violation here.
Hummmmmm, that's one nice set of blinders you have there!
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