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Old 09-16-2011, 07:58 AM
 
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Sure...everything 'just evolved' ...and all without a shred of purpose / totally by accident / and the 150 + scientifically confirmed / collaboratively working Physics Constants (some to the 10^150 critical tolerance leeway otherwise we arent here) which arrived with our universe and continue to sustain it....was just a fluke and 'we wouldnt be asking about them if we werent here' . And atheism is touted as reasonable and rational ??! Its an excuse for those who dont want and cant afford for our personal theistic Creator (including ultimate moral accountability) , to exist. Even Dawkins now admits there is some organizing intelligence for all we have .
Don't put words in Dawkin's mouth

Here is what he said:

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"These constants regarding the behavior of matter and energy such as strong and weak nuclear forces, gravity, and the speed of light have to be precisely right during the Big Bang for life as we know it to exist. To get our universe, with all of its potential for complexities or any kind of potential for any kind of life form, everything has to be precisely defined on this knife edge of improbability, said the world renowned scientist."
The problem is that those who presume an intelligence behind creation have it backwards.

In reality, we have a given tuning and life evolved to adapt to that tuning. If we had a different tuning, we would have evolved differently.
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Old 09-16-2011, 08:27 AM
 
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Sure...everything 'just evolved' ...and all without a shred of purpose / totally by accident / and the 150 + scientifically confirmed / collaboratively working Physics Constants (some to the 10^150 critical tolerance leeway otherwise we arent here) which arrived with our universe and continue to sustain it....was just a fluke and 'we wouldnt be asking about them if we werent here'
This grammatically awful sentence is hard to decipher but you appear to be making a rather poor appeal to the fine tuning argument. Such an argument has been debunked from many different angles before. I imagine you simply have not caught up. From the fact it is built on an assumption that life as we have it is the only life possible which is not an assumption that is valid to make at this time.... to the fact that the whole fine tuning argument is based on how the universe would collapse if you change one constant only.... the fine tuning argument has no leg to stand on.

There is simply no evidence on offer that the universe has been fine tuned for life and as such it is not evidence or argument for the existence of a deity. As I said before the hole is not fine tuned for the puddle. The puddle arose to fit the whole. If the hole had been turned differently you would still have a puddle but formed in a different fashion.

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Even Dawkins now admits there is some organizing intelligence for all we have .
No. He does not. However I can understand in the absence of any argument, evidence, data or reasons for the existence of your deity why you would make up lies in some kind of Appeal to Authority Fallacy argument.
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