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Old 07-21-2011, 02:37 AM
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Just some updates for those who are following the progress of Child Rape investigations in Ireland. The last few days have been monumentally interesting.

Things looking no better in Ireland when it becomes clearer each day JUST what we are up against as with the recent publication of the Cloyne Report:

Michael Nugent, Chairman of Atheist Ireland asks: "How can we believe, without corroboration, anything that members of the Irish Catholic Hierarchy say in cases where it is in their interest to mislead us?" and this surely is the question that comes from even a cursory reading of the report especially when seen alongside the previous revelation that Archbishop Desmond Connell of Dublin was happy to deliberately mislead people by a process that he described as ‘mental reservation’.

Putting aside the content of the sexual abuse allegations, which are of course shockingly serious, the Cloyne Report reveals that various permutations of the Cloyne Diocese, Bishop John Magee and Monsignor Denis O’Callaghan “positively lied” [21.79], “positively misled” [21.79], “deliberately misled” [21.91], deliberately created two different accounts of the same meeting, a true one for the Vatican and a false one for the local diocesan files [1.48], gave false assurances to the Government Minister for Children and the Health Service Executive [1.77], “tried to bury the matter” of the requirement to report “evidence of a vicious sexual assault” [16.19], advised that statements to the gardai should be “minimal” [9.84-85], failed to give its own advisory committees full information [1.36], “put out an erroneous view” about a report [1.40], produced crucial documents that were wrongly dated [12.29], held three different versions of one meeting in diocesan files [21.27], and misled people in at least 35 ways which are detailed below.

Irelands Leader Enda Kenny spoke today about the revelations in the Cloyne Report. I have to admit I never expected to see a leader of our country talk in terms so.... strongly... on the issue. There was no pampering the Vatican or walking on ice around the subject here. This was a powerful speech. Interesting times indeed....

Far from listening to evidence of humiliation and betrayal with St Benedict’s “ear of the heart”……the Vatican’s reaction was to parse and analyse it with the gimlet eye of a canon lawyer.
The entire speech is heartening to read or watch. Our national Television and Radio network said of it today that:

Never before has a Taoiseach used such language in criticising the Catholic Church.

Mr Kenny told the Dáil that the Cloyne Report highlighted the dysfunction, disconnection, elitism and narcissism that dominate the culture of the Vatican to this day.
PZ Myers (Pharyngula) has picked up on the release of the report and the government response to it. One line that stands out in his assesment:

One significant detail: the Church's defense in recent months consists of claiming priestly pedophilia was a thing of the past, a product of the laxity and corruption of the general social atmosphere in the 60s and 70s, pushing the blame onto that awful liberal culture, not the church. Unfortunately, the Cloyne report assesses policies in the late 1990s, so we're talking about relatively contemporary church practices.
Even worse there are those claiming that the Vatican acted correctly in its lies, cover ups and hiding of cases and evidence because:

They say the Vatican's instructions to Irish clergy were perfectly reasonable, because opening up these cases to secular authorities "risked contravening canonical law".
They actually think they are above the law, and that following canon law gives them the right, morally and legally, to hide evidence from tribunal and from investigators and to cover up their misdeeds and crimes. This is as sickening as the whole affair is shocking.
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Old 07-21-2011, 10:29 AM
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It seems like there are some people working to do the right thing. This is not from Ireland, but...
Perhaps he can help in Ireland, too.

Onetime priest crusades for abuse victims suing Catholic Church – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs

He's an ex-priest, driven from ministry by the feeling that his superiors used him to help cover up sex abuse by other clergymen.

And he's using the training he gained as a priest to work with victims of abuse who want to take the church to court.

Since 1991, Wall says he has consulted on more than 1,000 abuse cases, helping lawyers pick apart defenses mounted by dioceses from Alaska to Australia.
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Old 07-21-2011, 05:07 PM
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I know an old man who works at Wal-Mart who is a devout Catholic, whos family was close friends with their priest, who wears a ring given to him by his priest, who does not believe most of the cases against pedophile priests could be true. His priest was a good man. Some people, such as the old man who works at Wal-Mart, can be very blind.
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