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Old 08-20-2011, 02:37 PM
 
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tigetmax is indeed good at mis-guiding the topic and the philosophical direction. He (she?) shudders at such unexplained phenomena that the universal observables predict, and yet allows far more egregious events to glide by his harsh review untouched by any rational logic.

It's just faith alone that allows a singular Godly entity, for no other good reason other than satisfying many men's need to be a cared-for sheeple-being, to create on demand. Out of the same nothing that Hawking speculates about. Hawking never claims absolutes in these areas, while the devout Christian fringe does, daily and often. Hawking predicts and then evaluates, and concludes with a high (and growing) level of probability.

In fact, the Power of Prediction within science is functionally awesome. It simply means that, if my hypothesis IS correct, then by George, we SHOULD see some causative factor X. And furthermore, for "X" to work as we hypothesis/speculate, it would have to look like, or behave like, or result in "Y". You light off an atomic bomb, you should, by all the theories, find detectable gamma radiation, beta waves, a strong EMP, and so on. So... do we? You betcha, even though we cannot see the atomic particles at work. All quite predictable, by the now-proven theoretical science of it all. Ditto for evolution, an ancient earth, and the cosmos and it's formation.

Imagine our amazement and joy when we then studiously go looking and find, voila, bingo and Zoot Alors!, exactly such a particle, wave, event, left-over bit, or stray EM signal that exactly fits the required and predicted "Y" thingy.

But, alternately, do we find such latent evidence, ever, for a Godly Creation/Genesis? Nope. In fact, we find no such evidence whatsoever. We reasonably predict there shoul be so and so, or such and such, left over from a single Godly Genesis Event 5925.67 years ago, but what we DO find is no such thing. In fact, we find denial of such evidence at literally every turn when we thoughtfully and honestly investigated the claims of Christian Creationism over the past several centuries.

After all, it's not like we've only just begun looking at this stuff, now is it? And so eventually we quite reasonably reject the stupider, and unprovable, and utterly improbable scenarios. Why? Because a non-existant entity cannot ever cause anything to happen, least of all the supernatural and impossible, especially when there's a far more rational and documented explanation for it.

But not all of us. Nope; some go on clinging to such ideas, and making endlessly silly statements about how WE atheists and scientists don't have even a speculative leg to stand on.

How unconvincing! And.... Typical.
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Old 08-20-2011, 02:42 PM
 
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Default Hypocrisy Unveiled

tigetmax is indeed good at mis-guiding the topic and the philosophical direction. He (she?) shudders at such unexplained phenomena that the universal observables predict, and yet allows far more egregious events to glide by his harsh review untouched by any rational logic.

It's just faith alone that allows a singular Godly entity, for no other good reason other than satisfying many men's need to be a cared-for sheeple-being, to create on demand. Out of the same nothing that Hawking speculates about. Hawking never claims absolutes in these areas, while the devout Christian fringe does, daily and often. Hawking predicts and then evaluates, and concludes with a high (and growing) level of probability.

In fact, the Power of Prediction within science is functionally awesome. It simply means that, if my hypothesis IS correct, then by George, we SHOULD see some causative factor X. And furthermore, for "X" to work as we hypothesis/speculate, it would have to look like, or behave like , or result in: "Y". You light off an atomic bomb, you should, by all the theory, find detectable gamma radiation, beta waves, a strong EMP, and so on. So... do we?

You betcha, even though we cannot see the atomic particles at work. all quite predictable, by the now-proven theoretical science of it all. Ditto for evolution, an ancient earth, and the cosmos and it's formation.

Imagine our amazement and joy when we then studiously go looking and find, voila, bingo and Zoot Alors!, exactly such a particle, wave, event, left-over bit, or stray EM signal that exactly fits the required and predicted "Y" thingy.

But, alternately, do we find such latent evidence, ever, for a Godly Creation/Genesis? Nope. In fact, we find no such evidence whatsoever. We reasonably predict there shoul be so and so, or such and such, left over from a single Godly Genesis Event 5925.67 years ago, but what we DO find is no such thing. In fact, we find denial of such evidence at literally every turn when we thoughtfully and honestly investigated the claims of Christian Creationism over the past several centuries.

After all, it's not like we've only just begun looking at this stuff, now is it? And so eventually we quite reasonably reject the stupider, and unprovable, and utterly improbable scenarios. Why? Because rationally, a non-existant "creator" entity cannot accomplish anything. He doesn't exist!

But not all of us move on. Nope; some go on clinging to their desperate concepts, and make endlessly silly statements about how WE atheists and scientists don't have even a speculative leg to stand on.

How unconvincing! And.... Typical.
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Old 08-20-2011, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Boy, you can say that again....Wait, you did...LOL.
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Old 08-21-2011, 03:11 AM
 
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Deserved three cheers - one for each post. I noticed there was a glitch last night (which is why June7 is having to delete posts with liquid eraser). Rife must have had three goes at posting - each one successful. God must approve.
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Old 08-21-2011, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I watched the first episode and thought it was pretty good.

Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman is also a good show, although some of the ideas presented may be a little too far out there for some people
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