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Old 09-02-2011, 11:36 AM
 
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Old 09-04-2011, 01:59 PM
 
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If anybody does anything nasty to a child, they're not christians because true christians don't do that stuff, catch mah drift?
It's like if I went to an Elvis impersonators contest in my sequinned suit and a sideburns wig pretending to be an Elvis fan, then launched into a Barry Manilow number, i'd soon be slung out on my butt, right Elv?

"Uh-huh"..
Then presumably any found doing it are not entitled to any support or protection or sympathy from persons in the Church(s) and should be slung out and put on trial, yes? No matter how they may beat the breast and repent as they aren't really Christians at all, Huh? Uh Huh.
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Old 09-04-2011, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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The self-righteous, pious ones who tried to tell me how to conduct my life.
Take care that you never end up doing the same thing to others.
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Old 09-04-2011, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Oh. So that small group of clergy who you personally interacted with represents the entirety of clergy everywhere, in denominations everywhere? So if you met, say, a couple of Latinos who befriended you and then stole your car, then all Latinos are car thieves, right? Or if you knew a couple of Asian kids in high school who were good at chess and played the violin, then all Asians are good at chess and play the violin, right? Awfully sloppy thinking on your part.
Unfortunately, you're confusing racial stereotypes with psychological profiles. There is nothing about Latinos that makes them particularly good car thieves (any more than say any race). And, despite some preliminary studies explaining why Asians kids are better at math, there is nothing particularly true about their race contributing to their status as good chess and violin players.

However, clergymen come in all shapes, sizes, and races. It takes a unique individual to embrace religion to the point that it dictates their entire career. I've often found it fascinating how someone could take religious B.S. so seriously that they literally let it run their lives. It dictates their morality, their way of life, and even the way they vote. It always makes me feel like they're hiding behind something they're deeply ashamed of when they become that way too.

While these "pastors" may not all be child molesters, it is very strange that the things most pastors are passionately against are often the hidden admissions of their own guilt. How many vehemently anti-gay pastors have to be caught in a Motel 6 with another man before we finally accept the fact that what most pastors speak out against is their secret way of life?

Everyone has skeletons in their closet. Most of us have ways of dealing with it, accepting it as who we are, and living with it. Those who can't often try to represent themselves as respected members of the community and promote the antithesis of their lifestyle as a moral one. I feel that this ordinarily is a way to gain acceptance for one's own revulsion of self (the thing that binds is the mutual hatred towards a behavior) while also allowing the person to commit the crime or behavior in private because they have an outlet "against" it.

To sum it up, most clergymen have reached the honorary apex of hypocrisy. They are typically the black belts of lies, the progenitors of prejudice, and often have the morals of molesters. The lies they spout in front of the pulpit are consistent with their need for lies in other realms of life. The fact that people look to them as "spiritual" guides or with any sort of credence is sad enough.
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Old 09-04-2011, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Nantahala National Forest, NC
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Not just kids, either...

a pastor in my area was recently arrested for kidnapping, aggravated rape (weapon-gun) against THREE DIFFERENT WOMEN

AND...rapes took place on church property.


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Unfortunately, you're confusing racial stereotypes with psychological profiles. There is nothing about Latinos that makes them particularly good car thieves (any more than say any race). And, despite some preliminary studies explaining why Asians kids are better at math, there is nothing particularly true about their race contributing to their status as good chess and violin players.

However, clergymen come in all shapes, sizes, and races. It takes a unique individual to embrace religion to the point that it dictates their entire career. I've often found it fascinating how someone could take religious B.S. so seriously that they literally let it run their lives. It dictates their morality, their way of life, and even the way they vote. It always makes me feel like they're hiding behind something they're deeply ashamed of when they become that way too.

While these "pastors" may not all be child molesters, it is very strange that the things most pastors are passionately against are often the hidden admissions of their own guilt. How many vehemently anti-gay pastors have to be caught in a Motel 6 with another man before we finally accept the fact that what most pastors speak out against is their secret way of life?

Everyone has skeletons in their closet. Most of us have ways of dealing with it, accepting it as who we are, and living with it. Those who can't often try to represent themselves as respected members of the community and promote the antithesis of their lifestyle as a moral one. I feel that this ordinarily is a way to gain acceptance for one's own revulsion of self (the thing that binds is the mutual hatred towards a behavior) while also allowing the person to commit the crime or behavior in private because they have an outlet "against" it.

To sum it up, most clergymen have reached the honorary apex of hypocrisy. They are typically the black belts of lies, the progenitors of prejudice, and often have the morals of molesters. The lies they spout in front of the pulpit are consistent with their need for lies in other realms of life. The fact that people look to them as "spiritual" guides or with any sort of credence is sad enough.
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Old 09-04-2011, 04:16 PM
 
Location: NW NJ & SE Oahu
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THREE DIFFERENT WOMEN
Atta boy!

(ducking... dodging... running for cover...)
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Old 09-04-2011, 04:35 PM
 
Location: NW NJ & SE Oahu
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^^ extreme facetiousness there, that pastor should suffer horribly for criminal activity like that.
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Old 09-05-2011, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Roanoke, VA
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Christianity's take on sexuality traditionally has been based in some part (IMHO large part) on misogyny. It goes back to original sin. Women over centuries have suffered because of the purported sin of the first woman. Though I think this is mythology, too many in our society believe this is the word of god.

Women are property in the Christian Bible. Sure there are women that rise above that status, but they were not your average women. At least in the ten commandments women were listed before asses and oxen as far as property men were not to covet. There are horrific tales of women being abused in the Bible.

Sex is a natural part of our lives. Traditional and now conservative Christianity treats sex as a "bad" thing or a taboo subject to be discussed appropriately (they define that term). That which you repress, pops out in other ways, often in unexpected or unwanted way.

When ever I learn about male Christian clergy extolling the evils of homosexuality, my thought is that said man is a gay man in extreme denial of his sexuality. How many times has this played out? Prominent conservative clergyMAN rants against gay men and then gets caught in an affair with a man?

There are male clergy who have many affairs with congregants. In the past, they simply got shuffled from church to church. The women who were abused by the clergy would not speak up and confront their abuser because typically the "fault" for the affair was placed on them despite the imbalance in power in the relationship. Again, that which is repressed shows up in other ways.

I always note the juxtaposition going into North Carolina or South Carolina of god and pornography. You cross into those states on an Interstate and you are met with billboards for both. There is a relationship between these two.

This topic is not confined to Southern Baptists. Re a prior poster, there are plenty of Episcopalians who have molested children and adult congregants.

Sexuality is a complex subject made all too simple by most churches and demonized by others in the context of a woman's sexuality. Women today still suffer because of the patriarchal religions that consider them as second or third class citizens or just mere property to be used and/or abused as the owner wishes.

Last edited by TN Lily; 09-05-2011 at 05:37 AM.. Reason: typo
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