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Old 09-05-2011, 08:12 AM
 
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Religion discourages intelligence and reason, asking their members to rely on blind faith rather than logic. Every reputable science community disagrees with the religious community on just about everything, relying on facts and data instead of scriptures written by dead guys from an ancient and relatively ignorant era.

North and South America have really bad educational systems. These areas contain people who are undereducated and thus rely heavily upon a system that thrives on this.
Another good example of this is the the dark ages, when the vast majority were uneducated and so the church had most influence on society.
How bizarre, then, that a few decades ago when the US was more religious and had fewer atheists, we were also reported to have the world's best educational system. Go figure. Interesting to note that American universities are still ranked highest in the world and many more Europeans come to the US for grad school than vice versa.

So I guess according to MoniHer, atheist China has superior schools. Everything regimented, enforced conformity. Have you been to a school in China? If you fold your arms the wrong way on your desk or your head faced the wrong way at nap time, you'll be punished. Great system devised by atheists.

I'm still waiting to see how the US education system is benefitting from higher numbers of atheists. Anyone?

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Old 09-05-2011, 08:30 AM
 
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Interesting enough that the top ranked countries are all fairly non religious. The top 4 Universities in the world are both English and American, not exclusively American.

The US didn't rank all too well in basic education compared with many other countries.

World education rankings: which country does best at reading, maths and science? | News | guardian.co.uk

Of course the other point is almost every University is a hot bed of liberalism which doesn't fit very well into the religious doctrine.

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Old 09-05-2011, 09:53 AM
 
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How bizarre, then, that a few decades ago when the US was more religious and had fewer atheists, we were also reported to have the world's best educational system. Go figure. Interesting to note that American universities are still ranked highest in the world and many more Europeans come to the US for grad school than vice versa.

So I guess according to MoniHer, atheist China has superior schools. Everything regimented, enforced conformity. Have you been to a school in China? If you fold your arms the wrong way on your desk or your head faced the wrong way at nap time, you'll be punished. Great system devised by atheists.

I'm still waiting to see how the US education system is benefitting from higher numbers of atheists. Anyone?
If we are indulging ourselves in possibly false correlations, could we ask why growth and economy is booming in Atheist China while in the greatest country in the world and one of those with the highest proportion of God-fearing Christians it is struggling a bit.
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Old 09-05-2011, 11:33 AM
 
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Why are Atheism and Agnosticism so much more prevalent in Europe?

Two things I suspect. 1. a somewhat better educated populace 2. their ancestors had lived under the tyranny of religion so... they don't want to re-create that scenario.
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Old 09-05-2011, 01:51 PM
 
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Why are Atheism and Agnosticism so much more prevalent in Europe?

Two things I suspect. 1. a somewhat better educated populace 2. their ancestors had lived under the tyranny of religion so... they don't want to re-create that scenario.
I suspect education is the prime reason, for our education system is abysmal. The decades of our failed education has written a check that is going to bounce and take this country down in so many ways. The lunacy of school boards that mandate teaching absurdity as an alternative to real science is criminally stupid, yet business as usual in Texas, Kansas, and many other states.

The knuckle draggingModerator cut: edit followers are just one of the symptoms.

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Old 09-05-2011, 03:02 PM
 
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How bizarre, then, that a few decades ago when the US was more religious and had fewer atheists, we were also reported to have the world's best educational system.
A few decades ago, the rest of the world was more religious than it is now, as well (except for the countries which were communist at the time)
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Old 09-05-2011, 03:35 PM
 
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A few decades ago, the rest of the world was more religious than it is now, as well (except for the countries which were communist at the time)
You don't suppose people would lie in surveys because of fear, fear of the stupid majority?

We know that approximately 10% of the population have always been homosexual, yet that was not reflected in surveys due to fear of repercussions.
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Old 09-05-2011, 03:38 PM
 
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You don't suppose people would lie in surveys because of fear, fear of the stupid majority?

We know that approximately 10% of the population have always been homosexual, yet that was not reflected in surveys due to fear of repercussions.
Exactly AN.

And given the fact atheists are among the most hated of all groups in America, is it any wonder they lie about it? You can't come out of the closet so to speak, in this country without some fear of reprisal in some form or another, even if it's simply some moron defacing the fish with legs symbol on your car.
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Old 09-06-2011, 12:44 AM
 
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You don't suppose people would lie in surveys because of fear, fear of the stupid majority?

We know that approximately 10% of the population have always been homosexual, yet that was not reflected in surveys due to fear of repercussions.
That's very possible.
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Old 09-06-2011, 12:52 AM
 
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As for Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Republics, maybe decades of systematic religious oppression by communist regimes and official atheism had something to do with it? To be a good Communist was to be a good atheist.

But even decades of imposed atheism couldn't fully do away with religion. From the depths of the formerly atheist nations, the most sublime and transcendent sacred music of the Orthodox Church has been allowed to reemerge, rising like incense to the heavens, thanks to the return of religious freedom to those regions.
IMHO, such are disgusting freakish rituals, remnants of pagan genes. the communists were foolish politicians, on the other hand, and failed to understand that people enjoy those who placate to their needs.
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