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Old 09-17-2011, 05:22 AM
 
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I'll respond to your last post soon, I'm at work now.


Anyway, to answer this question - and I assume you are talking about an omnipotent God here, not God-is-nature God:

I, for one, would move from being a strong athesit to an agnostic if there were sufficient evidence that omnipotence was possible.
What is it you mean when you use the term "omnipotence?" I don't want the text book definition. I would like to know what you mean...if it's not too much to ask.

 
Old 09-17-2011, 06:21 AM
 
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So far, it appears that nobody that has read the OP has made that trip, unless I missed a post.

If this counts as a move to/from, it wasn't until reading the R&P board that I amended my stance from straight atheist to agnostic atheist after realizing the intellectual need to allow for the remote possibility that there could be a supreme entity of some sort that people might call god..
That is a good move. I am an agnostic atheist myself. An atheist who says that they 'know' there is no god or even no God is going to to have to retreat from an apparently illogical position which he doesn't actually hold.

He doesn't know for absolute certainty that there is no god or God just as he doesn't know for absolute certainly there are no fire- breathing dragons, fairies or leprechauns. But just as we as sure that there are no such things because the evidence for them is laughable, we just wonder why Biblegod, which has not much better evidential support is solemly believed in by millions.

I think the discussion is just as appropriate to AA as R/P, since atheists need to think about it and then we can set the theists straight when they try to accuse us of being arrogantly illogical and laying a claim to absolute knowledge.
 
Old 09-17-2011, 06:28 AM
 
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What is needed for the Atheist who comes to the table with an apriori-philosophical bias to get to the place of being a diligent inquisitive Agnostic Seeker ?
A reason to believe that what they're seeking is more than a figment of someone else's imagination.

And it seems strange that you'd want an agnostic, someone who believes gods are unknowable, to search for knowledge of them. That must come from a misunderstanding of what agnostics are.
 
Old 09-17-2011, 06:33 AM
 
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What is it you mean when you use the term "omnipotence?" I don't want the text book definition. I would like to know what you mean...if it's not too much to ask.
Why do you need to know that? How specifically is the textbook definition not sufficient for this discussion?

Note to others - don't bother engaging with this poster. Review his other contributions to realize that all you'll get in return for answering questions are more questions or insults. The deciding factor seems to be how well you make your case - the more convincing you are, the more insults you'll receive.
 
Old 09-17-2011, 06:41 AM
 
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So far, it appears that nobody that has read the OP has made that trip, unless I missed a post.

If this counts as a move to/from, it wasn't until reading the R&P board that I amended my stance from straight atheist to agnostic atheist after realizing the intellectual need to allow for the remote possibilty that there could be a supreme entity of some sort that people might call god..
Sure, it's fine to hold on to a remote possibility that there may be a god hiding somewhere out there. But it's also just as reasonable to hold on to a remove possibility that Santa or unicorns are out there. They're just as possible as gods. But no one splits hairs over being agnostic over those beings. The only reason why people do it for gods is due to cultural baggage. Buying into this just gives more power to the fairy tales from believers - you're admitting that their god is special. In reality it's OK to say you know god isn't real in the same sense you know Santa isn't.
 
Old 09-17-2011, 06:46 AM
 
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