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Old 10-14-2011, 07:18 PM
 
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So, what you are saying is that is OK for the atheists to remove - by the courts - Christianity from our lives, but it would be wrong for someone to hear the word God everyday? If you don't believe, what difference should it make? As far as forced ideas, the ACLU likes to force the "freedom FROM religion" ideals on all the rest of us. Can't have prayer in schools (although the Constitution doesn't say you can't), can't have Bibles or crosses, many times even on private property...

Charles Sands
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First of all, show me an example of private property not allowed to bear a Bible or cross by its owners.

Second of all, Christianity should be removed from every aspect of government. It is a wretched, wasteful, demeaning, repugnant, and selfish religion full of hypocrisy, hatred, and demagoguery. The advancement and promotion of the religion only serves the purpose of lining the pockets of thieving ministers, perverted priests, and charlatans of Christ who think they all have the answers. And those answers, might I add, are often the result of two-thousand years of standstill progress in ethics, humanity, and basic common decency.

It is an offensive religion that asks that I must respect it, that refuses to listen to reason, that infects the minds of our children to make them think there is some magical being that must be worshiped and obeyed like we humans are nothing more than the dogs of a celestial dictator.

Our government should have no bias, no law and no regulation based on religious principles - Christianity included. Christianity asks that we limit the rights of individuals to suit the false moral fiber of religious societies because the biggest part of being a Christian is often about not being true to oneself.

Christianity will stop at nothing to infect itself as the mind-virus of the people. All the while, as the virus becomes active, the people succumb to its stupidity, its rancorous smell, and its mind-eating characteristics like a fetid queue of zombies waiting to sink their teeth into another unsuspecting patron to pass it on further. It offers promises of eternal life for those who believe but eternal damnation to those who don't. It is, in essence, the quintessential foundation of thought crime and those without conviction are those who become the convicted.

Christianity has milled itself into a platform of current right wing American politics that associates itself with "anti-socialism." Ah, how fitting the irony when the God of the Bible could simply be cited as one of the most fascist, tyrannical, and brutal dictators ever to have been conceived by humanity. He has out-killed all the common bad guys of the 20th Century by a long shot to include Mao, Hitler, and Stalin combined. His alleged drowning of every inhabitant of Earth should have been enough to convince us that the barbaric nonsense should never be worshiped. But, despite this, and other events like the barbecue at Sodom and Gomorrah, people fantasize and propagate this infectious disease like it's a fruit cake at Christmas time. Fruitcakes everywhere should take offense to such an insult.

Yet, we have people who wish for this sort of thing to take center stage in our government... People who wish to pray in school; to let that zombified virus infect the minds of our children. We have people who wish for the so-called "morality" of the Bible to take root in our lives as a people. In reality, what these people are asking for is a state of hypocrisy whereby we can all point a finger at those who venture to defy the societal norms as immoral, bad, people. It's these very people who advocate for such things that should be the most worried, though. For, it is often those who are caught in the most delectable scandals indicative of sexual repression, moral suppression, and mouthy lip service prayers who advocate for such things.
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Old 10-14-2011, 10:50 PM
 
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So, what you are saying is that is OK for the atheists to remove - by the courts - Christianity from our lives, but it would be wrong for someone to hear the word God everyday? If you don't believe, what difference should it make? As far as forced ideas, the ACLU likes to force the "freedom FROM religion" ideals on all the rest of us. Can't have prayer in schools (although the Constitution doesn't say you can't), can't have Bibles or crosses, many times even on private property...

Charles Sands
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The ACLU Fights for Christians

Prayer is entirely permissible in schools, even public schools. Students are free to pray alone, or together. What is prohibited is the leading/organizing of such prayers by school staff, because they are agents of the state, and this would respect the establishment of religion.

I have no idea what your "can't have Bibles or crosses, many times even on private property" babbling is about. Feel free to provide a cite to try (however futilely) and back up this silly and baseless assertion.
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Old 10-15-2011, 10:12 PM
 
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I wouldn't vote for anyone dumb enough that he identifies himself by his disbelief in God.
You mean disbelief in YOUR particular god, right?
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Old 10-15-2011, 10:21 PM
 
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So, what you are saying is that is OK for the atheists to remove - by the courts - Christianity from our lives, but it would be wrong for someone to hear the word God everyday? If you don't believe, what difference should it make? As far as forced ideas, the ACLU likes to force the "freedom FROM religion" ideals on all the rest of us. Can't have prayer in schools (although the Constitution doesn't say you can't), can't have Bibles or crosses, many times even on private property...

Charles Sands
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And what makes you think Christianity should be the default religion in our schools and government? Why Christian prayers? This isn't a Christian nation nor was it founded in any sense upon Christianity or The Bible.

If Allah, Vishnu or any other non-Christian deity and their prayers were foisted into our schools and government your tune would change pretty quickly over to agreement with those of us (not just atheists, but in fact all freedom loving people) who support the constitution's separation of church/religion and state/government.

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Old 10-15-2011, 10:36 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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The ACLU Fights for Christians

Prayer is entirely permissible in schools, even public schools. Students are free to pray alone, or together. What is prohibited is the leading/organizing of such prayers by school staff, because they are agents of the state, and this would respect the establishment of religion.

I have no idea what your "can't have Bibles or crosses, many times even on private property" babbling is about. Feel free to provide a cite to try (however futilely) and back up this silly and baseless assertion.
While I consider myself an atheist, my 16-year-old son is very active in a church youth group (how did that happen?) and he often takes part in informal bible studies at lunch time at school. They also have this "meeting at the flag pole" every year where they all get together and have some prayer thing early in the morning before school.

While these activities take place on school grounds, the school staff is not involved at all. If they were, I'd throw a fit (much to my kid's horror).
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Old 10-15-2011, 10:40 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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Oh, and as far as an atheist for president - while I'd love to see it, I agree with the poster who said it would be political suicide to "come out," so to speak.

And I, too, would be horrified if someone with Perry's strong beliefs were to become president. I believe that would set us back 100 years - prayer in schools, no evolution taught (just creationism), etc.
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Old 10-15-2011, 11:28 PM
 
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What makes you think we haven't already?

I'd guess that a few have snuck by while claiming to be of whatever faith is most politically friendly.

An openly atheist president? If it were possible to get elected, sure. I'd appreciate a leader who didn't rely on religion when it came time to make the hard decisions.
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Old 10-15-2011, 11:31 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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What makes you think we haven't already?

I'd guess that a few have snuck by while claiming to be of whatever faith is most politically friendly.
I'm sure you're right about that. Too bad it has to be like that, though.
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Old 10-15-2011, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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I wouldn't vote for anyone dumb enough that he identifies himself by his disbelief in God.
Think about this now. Firstly, i'm not an atheist. I figured this would show you i'm not biased. Now considering how different many of the religions views are on a supreme being, including all the different prophets and other characters, how can you discount an atheist? If there are 50 different religions out there( just an example), most likely 49 of them are wrong. Or maybe they all are and the atheist is right. Either way, no one can prove the other one wrong but no one has ever seen a supreme being in real life. So is the atheist dumb for not believing in something he has never seen, or is the individual with religious beliefs dumb for having faith in something that he or she will never see? Either way, religion is supposed to be separate from politics anyway. That's what separation of church and state means. Personally, i'd vote for an intelligent, and good intentioned atheist every day as opposed to ever voting for a dumb ass George W.
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Old 10-16-2011, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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An atheist could be a fine President or a terrible one. I don't really see how his lack of belief could be construed as detrimental or advantageous to doing his job.
However, a religious fundmantalist, like, say, a Mike Huckabee could, in certain circumstances, actually pose a danger to us because of his strong Faith. The first example that comes to mind would be in the case of a Cuban Missile-type of a crisis. A fundy POTUS might just think that God will protect us in a nuclear war with China or Russia; so why not push that button? Or he might even go so far as to think that he's acting on God's orders in starting something that might end in what he would think of as Armageddon.
In all fairness, such a scenario is very unlikely; I would like to think that even a religious zealot would know better than that, and even if he did not, that Congress and his Joint Chiefs would reign him in.
But you never know.
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