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Old 10-19-2011, 09:12 AM
 
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Given that members of Congress have advocated doing nothing about global warming on the basis of bible verses wherein God "promises" not to flood the planet; and given that we've had more than one president justify war on the basis of voices in his head (orders from God), I can't help but think a president's lack of "belief" would be an asset.

But an atheist president certainly would not be representative of this statistically religious, delusional population.
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Old 10-23-2011, 08:50 AM
 
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would that make a fair President?
Many things...but certainly a Person who takes our Countrys Founding principles and values seriously without wavering under pressure from anti-Christian agendas ; someone who isnt afraid to restore America to a truly Christian Nation again by taking on the destructive influential giant of our Mass Media that relentlessly promotes atheistic philosophies of relative truth and moral relativism which have brought America to a new low level of widespread anarchy that harms so many . (I know...pretty intolerant isnt it ?) .
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Old 10-23-2011, 12:43 PM
 
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Many things...but certainly a Person who takes our Countrys Founding principles and values seriously without wavering under pressure from anti-Christian agendas ; someone who isnt afraid to restore America to a truly Christian Nation again by taking on the destructive influential giant of our Mass Media that relentlessly promotes atheistic philosophies of relative truth and moral relativism which have brought America to a new low level of widespread anarchy that harms so many . (I know...pretty intolerant isnt it ?) .
Do you have some evidence of this Mass Media "promoting atheistic philosophies"? Fox News is a virtual evangelical mouthpiece. CNN routinely showcases pastors and religious leaders on its programming, and even MSNBC (surely the atheistic haven you abhor) gave Reverand Al Sharpton his own show!
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Old 10-24-2011, 10:58 AM
 
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Do you have some evidence of this Mass Media "promoting atheistic philosophies"? Fox News is a virtual evangelical mouthpiece. CNN routinely showcases pastors and religious leaders on its programming, and even MSNBC (surely the atheistic haven you abhor) gave Reverand Al Sharpton his own show!
Our present Culture promotes atheistic philosophies (moral relativism, truth is relative, entitlement attitudes, sexual relativism, pornography, killing of developing Americans while in the womb, wider spread Adultery / Swinging / and other desired perversions, et al..) which are constructs based on the assumption that 'there is no God' to whom we are morally accountable toward and thus we are totally autonomous to live as we like according to the dictates of our will . The cultural shift clearly became evident to all when we as a nation abandoned our Nations founding Christian principles of objective moral laws and values required for the maintenance of a civil society ...in favor of Post Modernism / secularism which promoted distinct forms of hedonism for maximized narcissism , with devastating measurable consequences. It didnt take long did it ?
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Old 10-24-2011, 11:02 AM
 
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Our present Culture promotes atheistic philosophies (moral relativism, truth is relative, entitlement attitudes, sexual relativism, pornography, killing of developing Americans while in the womb, wider spread Adultery / Swinging / and other desired perversions, et al..) which are constructs based on the assumption that 'there is no God' to whom we are morally accountable toward and thus does not own us . The cultural shift clearly became evident to all when we as a nation abandoned our Nations founding Christian principles of objective moral laws and values required for a civil society ...in favor of Post Modernism / secularism which promoted distinct forms of hedonism for maximized narcissism . It didnt take long did it ?
Actually, we were founded as a secular government in the 18th century, and funadamentalists who demanded wholesale acceptance of religious beliefs in the 19th and 20th centuries effectively lobbied Congress to change laws and mix religion with government, with catastrophic results (Civil War, Prohibition, manifest destiny, etc.).

So you have it backwards. Our founding was most definitely secular, and NOT based on Christian values, but arrogant Christians adopting your tyrannical mindset demanded we twist our own constitution to meet the demands of an audacious few.

And history appears to be repeating itself, with Christians once again opposing privacy rights, civil rights, sound foreign policy, diplomacy, etc. For Christians, a violent apocalypse is merely a self-fulfilling prophecy. For all your talk of "pro life", your policies, your cowardly fear of a vengeful, fictional God and your demands for political cowtowing to mythos create far more death and suffering than any other single concept on the planet.
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Old 10-24-2011, 11:42 AM
 
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Actually, we were founded as a secular government in the 18th century, and funadamentalists who demanded wholesale acceptance of religious beliefs in the 19th and 20th centuries effectively lobbied Congress to change laws and mix religion with government, with catastrophic results (Civil War, Prohibition, manifest destiny, etc.).

So you have it backwards. Our founding was most definitely secular, and NOT based on Christian values, but arrogant Christians adopting your tyrannical mindset demanded we twist our own constitution to meet the demands of an audacious few.

And history appears to be repeating itself, with Christians once again opposing privacy rights, civil rights, sound foreign policy, diplomacy, etc. For Christians, a violent apocalypse is merely a self-fulfilling prophecy. For all your talk of "pro life", your policies, your cowardly fear of a vengeful, fictional God and your demands for political cowtowing to mythos create far more death and suffering than any other single concept on the planet.
Mr. Dick......Uh oh, i see i hit a nerve....perhaps getting too close to home (?) . Back when i wanted to be an atheist (totalling some 10 adult years) , I had the same misguided opinion as yourself for excuses to live totally unencumbered by any sense of absolute prescribed moral laws from our Creator .

Our Nation was most certainly founded on the Judeo-Christian Faith including the 10 Commandments and Christs teachings whereby literally 23% of ALL written documentation from our Founding Fathers highlighted our wonderful personal Theistic Creator needing his providence for a healthy , civil, morally prosperous / economic prosperous America . (WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - The Founding Fathers on Jesus, Christianity and the Bible) . Its a shame we have such militant Groups today that want to whittle away at the very fabric that once made America truly beautiful and great. Now, we have to contend with the moral degrading mess made by those who are apathetic at their core toward obvious societal ills adopted from godless philosophies , who demand tolerance of every wrong and perverted way because its their 'right' , and who value their entitlement and liberty even over that of the most defenseless and innocent among us (the personhood of womb- residing Americans) because 'mom' bought into unbridled sexual hedonism in an effort to find ultimate fulfillment and purpose in life .... one of many failed humanist morally-relativistic attempts which promises so much, but cannot deliver . Such are the outcomes of people willfully buying into the atheistic appeal of no personal intrinsic value , meaning, purpose , hope, or future whos great Ancestor is nothing but an unwanted pond scum protozoa that came from dead raw materials and chemicals ... to which even world reknown atheist Biologists calculate its chance at a faith busting 1 in 10^40,000 th absurdity ! But alas....anything but a Creator will suffice... just so long as people get to be their own god . End.
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Old 10-25-2011, 12:05 PM
 
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Our Nation was most certainly founded on the Judeo-Christian Faith including the 10 Commandments and Christs teachings whereby literally 23% of ALL written documentation from our Founding Fathers highlighted our wonderful personal Theistic Creator needing his providence for a healthy , civil, morally prosperous / economic prosperous America .....
You are absolutely, positively wrong in this statement. As far back as the Declaration of Independence, this nation was defined as secular. When Jefferson wanted to say that "these rights are sacred," Franklin convinced him it should say "these rights are self-evident" in order to avoid the appearance that there was any trace of divinity in the Declaration.

Having left England to escape the national church, the founding fathers were careful to make sure that religion had no part in the formation of the new country.

The Constitution says "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States," and that was written and agreed to before the 1st Amendment was written.

Regarding the 10 Commandments. #1. What law in the United States supports the claim that "thou shalt have no other god before me?" #2. Where is there a federal statute against the making of graven images? #3. I'm absolutely certain that cursing is not against any federal law. #4. There are no federal laws making any Sabbath any different from any other day. #5. There are no laws imposing penalties for failing to honor your parents. #6. Murder is a state crime in all 50 jurisdictions, but not on the federal level. #7. Adultery is not against the law. #8. Theft, in all forms, in criminal only at the state level. #9. Bear false witness against your neighbor? That's a crime? #10. Covet? Against the law? How could you prove that?

These comments assume that these are the 10 Commandments to which you refer. There are several other collections that are equally valid, but you didn't say which set you meant.

Many of the reference you cite used the phrase "In The Year Of Our Lord" in defining the date. That formality hardly qualifies as anything more than a formality. Much of the writing citing divine providence was just flowery language commonly used at that time.

Your argument that the US was founded on religious principles has no merit at all.
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Old 10-25-2011, 03:41 PM
 
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Nah, we don't need an Atheist president, just a committed secularist. I don't care what religion a president is, as long as he or she understands that the best way to protect both religion and government is to keep them separate.

A real constitutionalist would do the trick for me...

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Old 10-25-2011, 08:16 PM
 
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Do we need an Athiest for President?
Right now, what you need is a leader. Doesn't really matter what they look like or believe in (so long as they aren't going to lead you into WW III).
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Old 10-26-2011, 10:01 AM
 
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Default Do we need an Athiest for President?

It's likely that the US has already had atheist, or at the very least, "irreligious" presidents.

The Religious Beliefs Of Our Presidents
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