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Old 11-10-2011, 02:30 AM
 
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The only reason that it would have been "impossible for man to form a large society without religion" was that there were too many ignorant people with little knowledge of reality who were ripe to be taken advantage of by early shaman/cleric types.
And to combat this ignorance you need a society where each individual has too much free time so he could ponder the philosophical questions himself.
This means that modern technology (and atheism) would've been possible without ('superstitious') religion that offered precisely that.

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Old 11-12-2011, 12:05 AM
 
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Tricky D: It seems to me that you have put the cart before the horse. I agree that free time was a prerequisite for the 'pondering of philosophical questions', but I hardly think that religion (or, 'superstition') gets the credit for that. Rather, it was the beginnings of society, agriculture and division of labor which resulted in free time. But I also think that superstition (if not religion) came along long before that occured.

Allow me also to clarify that by 'ignorant', I didn't mean unintelligent. I simply meant that mankind at such an early stage had virtually no idea of the world and Universe in a factual way. How could it? (I know, a supremely rhetorical question.)
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Old 11-16-2011, 03:37 AM
 
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Tricky D: It seems to me that you have put the cart before the horse. I agree that free time was a prerequisite for the 'pondering of philosophical questions', but I hardly think that religion (or, 'superstition') gets the credit for that. Rather, it was the beginnings of society, agriculture and division of labor which resulted in free time. But I also think that superstition (if not religion) came along long before that occured.

Allow me also to clarify that by 'ignorant', I didn't mean unintelligent. I simply meant that mankind at such an early stage had virtually no idea of the world and Universe in a factual way. How could it? (I know, a supremely rhetorical question.)
The rhetorical answer would be 'through revelation'. That's why the failure of scripture to get its facts right (other than those they saw in front of their faces or some historian had written down) has resulted in
(a) attempts to argue that scripture did get it right,

(b) attempts toargue that it appears to have got it wrong, but is right in a symbolic way

(c) attempts to argue that the scriptures are right and facts are wrong.
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