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Old 11-30-2011, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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I had the worldview of an atheist, I lived my life as an atheistic Secular Humanist , I made choices based on atheistic man-made relativistic morals, I didnt believe in the afterlife, I persecuted Christians, mocked God, and matched the results of this 2006 University of Minnesota independent study on Atheists :

'A 2006 study by researchers at the University of
Minnesota involving a poll of 2,000 households in
the United States found atheists to be the most
distrusted of minorities, more so than Muslims,
recent immigrants, gays and lesbians, and other
groups. Many of the respondents associated
atheism with immorality, including criminal behaviour'.

What else would i have had to do in order to be a real Atheist, at the time , in your estimation ? Is it mandatory to stay an Atheist for life in order to have been a bonified one of 10 years ?
I watched Religulous, read Christopher Hitchens, and found it refreshing to not have to be a believer, to be able to question, rather than robotically accept a given understanding. I too joined the mockers on forums. As i listened to the atheists, I saw how cruel they/we could be and how intolerant they were. I see it as worshipping the self, as opposed to a Creator, it turns into a 'me theology'. I see the moral relativity as very harmful to society, so I am choosing to believe. It is so obvious that man is not the highest authority, we are so flawed, so lost without spiritual guidance.
We have the ability to relieve suffereing, but should never be the cause of it.
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Old 11-30-2011, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Metromess
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The 'mockers' don't negate the essential correctness of the viewpoint. And it isn't as though the religious don't mock atheists. 'Me theology' is just a buzzphrase. 'Choosing to believe' simply because one doesn't like the attitudes of some atheists seems rather superficial.
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Old 11-30-2011, 02:53 PM
 
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I think so. I for one am convinced that a relative morality is what we have anyway, even if attempts are made to follow the supposedly God given moral compass. I don't buy the argument that we need an absolute morality, far less that should be a reason to believe in a creator that one had (so we are told above) ceased to believe in.
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Old 11-30-2011, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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The 'mockers' don't negate the essential correctness of the viewpoint. And it isn't as though the religious don't mock atheists. 'Me theology' is just a buzzphrase. 'Choosing to believe' simply because one doesn't like the attitudes of some atheists seems rather superficial.
That is not what I said. Throw in a civil society, pursuit of excellence and virtue, then you're on the right track. Following the Ten Commandments is not asking so much. If you believe in nothing, then all you have is ego and lawyers that guide your behavior.
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Old 11-30-2011, 11:00 PM
 
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But I don't "believe in nothing", just no gods. I do see the need for ethical behavior ( a "civil society"), which many of the Ten Commandments espouse. The Ten Commandments are asking too much when it comes to the god-related ones. We should be able to see the value of treating one another equitably without being threatened or rewarded by a god.
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Old 12-01-2011, 06:52 AM
 
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That is not what I said. Throw in a civil society, pursuit of excellence and virtue, then you're on the right track. Following the Ten Commandments is not asking so much.
Do we also have to follow the penalties laid out for breaking the OT commandments? Pretending it's "not much" to put children to death for disrespecting their parents is kind of a stretch.

Also, which set of 10 commandments are you talking about, and why do you differentiate them from the rest of the OT laws?
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Old 12-03-2011, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Central Florida
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I'm neither atheist nor agnostic. I'm non-theist. God is not spiritually relevent whether or not he exists (though I think the existence of some Christian views of God are in fact, impossible). This is the position of Buddhists in general, the question of a Creator's existence is not relevent to the reality of life, suffering and the end of suffering.
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Old 12-03-2011, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Do we also have to follow the penalties laid out for breaking the OT commandments? Pretending it's "not much" to put children to death for disrespecting their parents is kind of a stretch.

Also, which set of 10 commandments are you talking about, and why do you differentiate them from the rest of the OT laws?
How does thou shalt not kill equate to killing children? I am only aware of one set of Ten Commandments. Would you like me to post them for you?
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Old 12-03-2011, 12:02 PM
 
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You could call agnostics open-minded, I look at it as a cop out. Belief in nothing is so much easier than believing in something. A don't know, don't care attitude is a leaf blowing in the wind, whichever way the wind blows is where you will find yourself.
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Old 12-03-2011, 12:25 PM
 
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I have to say that the agnostic or non - religious theist or Deist has an advantage in that it is rather easier to explain everything with 'God' than stick with the logical position of 'don't know - yet; don't believe - yet'.

I know that it logically the right position but it isn't always easy, especially when one has to explain why we have a moon at just the right distance to make the tides we need. Sometimes believing in 'something' that mustha dunnit is a lot easier.
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