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Old 02-06-2012, 01:04 PM
 
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Theists must have some special, personal "needs" that atheists can't even begin to understand.
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Old 02-06-2012, 01:59 PM
 
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It's kind of like saying the dictionary just fell into place. It is far to complex to have just been put together by random letters aligning themselves. And just think how much more complex life and our universe is. Way beyond our scope, really.
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Old 02-06-2012, 02:02 PM
 
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Although Mr Dawkins always says it best


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Old 02-06-2012, 02:31 PM
 
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Atheists: Do you EVER have doubts? That is, doubts about your atheism? Ever?
No. But I want to mention that this is not the same as feeling POSITIVE that there isn't a god or that he/she/it wouldn't punish me for not believing. I just don't ever think about it. Not out of fear, but preoccupation with other things.

I actually hope there isn't a God like the one proposed by Christianity, for more reasons than one! Yes, if such a God exists, I'm probably going to burn for not guessing correctly as to which proposed "god" was real. But also, if I were to somehow come into the KNOWLEDGE that the Christian God was real, I'd have difficulty respecting him, let alone worshipping him.
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Old 02-06-2012, 03:28 PM
 
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Nope. Never. I have continually re-examined my atheism as the years have past and have never found any convincing evidence or argument to make me doubt it. Every argument against atheism is full of offensive stereotypes, misrepresentations of our positions, logical fallacies, appeals to emotion, and none of that holds any weight with me. Pascal's wager is the height of silliness and I find it unconvincing to the say the least. I am quite sure that every religion on earth, every diety ever conceived, is a product of the imagination of humanity. No other explanation makes any sense.
This sums up my thoughts almost verbatim....
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Old 02-06-2012, 04:20 PM
 
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It's kind of like saying the dictionary just fell into place. It is far to complex to have just been put together by random letters aligning themselves. And just think how much more complex life and our universe is. Way beyond our scope, really.
Not really. Note that this is NOT random chance, but the evolutionary model where *good* guesses are kept and those that are not correct are discarded along the way.

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Old 02-06-2012, 05:33 PM
 
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Theists must have some special, personal "needs" that atheists can't even begin to understand.
That sums it up perfectly. Some of us don't need to believe in a god but others, like my children, do.
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:35 PM
 
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That sums it up perfectly. Some of us don't need to believe in a god but others, like my children, do.
Wrong!
Children are taught to believe in God; they have no such need.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:16 PM
 
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Theists must have some special, personal "needs" that atheists can't even begin to understand.
I understand much of what they seem to need, it is the why the need to operate under the promises of the snake oil salesmen of religion that really eludes me.
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Old 02-07-2012, 06:26 AM
 
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But I do have a reason.
I don't view faith as a reason to believe. It's more a rationalization for believing in something you know you shouldn't. So maybe in that sense it's a reason, but it's not reasonable to use as a basis for knowledge.

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And even from a logically point of view it makes sense because there is so much more to this world and life than we can see or feel. Even science has proven that. So to believe this is a deliberate creation and not somehow a product of appearing out of nowhere is quite logical to me.
How do you make the connection between "we can only directly sense certain wavelengths of light" and "therefore a supernatural creator god exists and is worried that we worship her"? Seems you've left out quite a bit of work.
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