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Old 05-20-2012, 08:09 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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First off, we take on obnoxious Euros who get in our faces about our bad Ameircanisms, they rudely telling us that we Yanks are all exactly the same obnoxious pig-dogs, no matter where we live, from Seattle WA, to Billings, MT to Los Angeles, CA to Dallas, TX to Atlanta, GA to Pennsylvania to NYC to Boston to Fargo to the Florida 'glades. Etc etc etc... Yup. All identical (apparently cloned!) obnoxious types, and also at the exact same level of maturity and education. You betcha.
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That sort of anti-social behavior is probably either not allowed or culturally suppressed in Europe. I may have to move there! On second thought, nope. I could not stand the socialistic & culture-robbing "We know best!" liberalism such a mono-political culture represents. This is STILL the best place on the planet to be!
Am I the only one to notice the hypocricy?

It's nice to know that you've been to all 50+ countries of Europe and know all about their mono-political cultures (with on average about 10 political parties per country ranging from extreme left to extreme right). Or make that culture as Europeans apparently all share the same ideology whether they're British, German, Greek or French.

You are no better than the "obnoxious Euros" you're complaining about. I don't think there is anything more obnoxious than people who are so confident that they live in "the best place in the world" when they have barely left their own country. Or worse, who think they know all about other countries because they've been on holiday there for a week. And since most Americans don't speak any other language than English, their entire view of the rest of the world is shaped by their own media, which is well-known (in the rest of the world) to be incredibly biased and incorrect in its reporting. Take this clip, which was shown on Dutch TV for comedic purposes:



Apparently we are all militant secularists (whatever that means), polygamy is legal and we're about to adopt a suicide pill for people who are just tired with life (this video was uploaded 6 years ago and still no such pill is on the market). It's all one big propaganda machine to make the rest of the world seem scary and inferior.

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And, btw, yes, you WOULD be speaking German if we hadn't sacrificed a few (several ten of thousands...) of our best young men and women in several world and local wars, just for you. You're welcome!
I'm pretty sure the British, French, Russians, Canadians (and pretty much every country that was invaded by Germany) contributed to that as well. And you really believe the USA's participation in all these wars was just to help others? Talk about historical revisionism.

Anyway, to get back on topic: I think you misunderstood the OP. This is not a "typical atheist-bashing thread", the OP herself is obviously non-religious. She just wonders why American atheists are so vocal about their opposition to religion, which is a valid question if you take into account the cultural context. Such a cultural opposition between religion and atheism does not exist in Scandinavia and other WE countries. Most European atheists are not at all concerned about whether or not their country has a state church, whether their currency mentions "in God we trust" or whether their kids get bible lessons in school. In my country about 80% of all public schools are officially religious (though you'll hardly notice it apart from the name) and they are all funded by the government. No big deal. Religious topics like abortion, contraception, gay marriage, creationism vs. evolution, etc. are never (or hardly ever) mentioned in political debates. Many European atheists and agnostics go to church on occasion and celebrate religious holidays just because they like it and it's a cultural tradition. My whole family is atheist (apart from my deceased grandfather who was Catholic) but we all did our baptism, holy communion and confirmation and we all went to "Catholic" schools. Didn't damage me at all and never turned me into a religious person. My nephew who is 6 goes to a Catholic school (and this one is actually religious) and he loves talking about God and Jesus. He pictures God as a daddy and Jesus as his little child who live in the sky. I'm not going to ruin his childhood fantasies and say "GOD IS NOT REAL!!! DON"T BELIEVE IT!!" He'll figure that out on his own when he's older, probably around the same age as he figures out the truth about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.
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Old 05-21-2012, 03:22 AM
 
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I have been toying with an interesting hypothesis that may even be falsifiable. The expansion of the universe is due to the conversion of dark matter into consciousness (dark energy) within the galaxies.
Sounds like a paper that will only get published in the "Journal of Cosmology" which appears to print just about anything if you pay them. However write it up and let's see how it stands to peer review.
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Old 05-21-2012, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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I'm pretty sure the British, French, Russians, Canadians (and pretty much every country that was invaded by Germany) contributed to that as well. And you really believe the USA's participation in all these wars was just to help others? Talk about historical revisionism.
If it hadn't been for the attack on Pearl harbour by the Japanese, America would never have entered the war. They saw it as a 'foreign' war that they had no part of.
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:01 AM
 
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Thanks for the link to the groups, but the original post talked specifically about trying to stomp out Christianity, preaching hate, and some other pretty hostile things. Were you talking about a specific group/organization or Atheists in general?
Your welcome.

I was simply stating that many Atheists are of the hostile/ militant type including dedicated Atheist Organizations in the U.S. which would love nothing more to stomp out Christianity using tools of hate preaching , spreading vitrol thru the mass media , and mocking the Christian Faith thru defamation attempts.
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:09 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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I was simply stating that many Atheists are of the hostile/ militant type including dedicated Atheist Organizations in the U.S. which would love nothing more to stomp out Christianity using tools of hate preaching , spreading vitrol thru the mass media , and mocking the Christian Faith thru defamation attempts.
Can you give links to specific examples of these?

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Old 05-21-2012, 09:44 AM
 
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Can you provide links to specific examples of these?
One only need go to Atheist Association websites , attend regular Association Meetings and Conferences, or enter into any online Atheist Forum / Newsgroup and read posts made my Atheists who in their signature advertise their particular Association affiliation (if any) .... to witness firsthand the enormous vitrol , hatred, and agenda to banish all forms of religion (except their own secular religion) . IE: alt.atheism , alt.talk.creationism , or, https://www.google.com/search?source...A_enUS419US419 .
Further, the books written by British Atheist Gurus Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens are filled with vitrol, mockery, defamatiion, toward the Christian Faith in particular , in addition to such magazine publications such as Free Inquiry which is the largest magazine specifically for atheistic Secular Humanists . Lastly, the very communities I used to live in in Illinois were annually inundated by proactive Atheists in trying to get crosses taken down from public buildings and water towers over the Christmas and Easter holidays. Sometimes they were sucessful, but only to have homeowners retaliate by sticking huge lighted crosses up on thier own property by the many thousands.

I speak from firsthand experience since i was a proclaimed Atheist for some 10 adult years .
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Old 05-21-2012, 05:01 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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One only need go to Atheist Association websites , attend regular Association Meetings and Conferences, or enter into any online Atheist Forum / Newsgroup and read posts made my Atheists who in their signature advertise their particular Association affiliation (if any) .... to witness firsthand the enormous vitrol , hatred, and agenda to banish all forms of religion (except their own secular religion) . IE: alt.atheism , alt.talk.creationism , or, https://www.google.com/search?source...A_enUS419US419 .
Further, the books written by British Atheist Gurus Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens are filled with vitrol, mockery, defamatiion, toward the Christian Faith in particular , in addition to such magazine publications such as Free Inquiry which is the largest magazine specifically for atheistic Secular Humanists . Lastly, the very communities I used to live in in Illinois were annually inundated by proactive Atheists in trying to get crosses taken down from public buildings and water towers over the Christmas and Easter holidays. Sometimes they were sucessful, but only to have homeowners retaliate by sticking huge lighted crosses up on thier own property by the many thousands.

I speak from firsthand experience since i was a proclaimed Atheist for some 10 adult years .
The link you provided is still not saying anything specific. It's just forums with thousands of posts. Anyone can write anything in unmoderated forums.

As for Richard Dawkins and the late Christopher Hitchens, yes they are among the most famous atheists of our times. Personally, I think their views about religion come off as a little too brash and one-sided. They don't seem to find any good in it at all. I find that somewhat biased. There are some good things done in the name of religion (even though you don't actually need religion for these things) - such as providing people with a sense of community and shared purpose, charities, helping the poor and things like that.

However, I do agree with the gist of what Dawkins and Hitchens have said - that God is a lie, that the Bible and other scriptures are myths, that Christianity and other religions are falsehoods, and that there must be absolute separation between church and state. Religion has as much "truth" in it as astrology does and should be treated as such. If you're an atheist, this bascially sums up what you believe. Otherwise, you wouldn't be an atheist. There's no "nice" way to put it. Sorry.
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Old 05-23-2012, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Sitting beside Walden Pond
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If it hadn't been for the attack on Pearl harbour by the Japanese, America would never have entered the war. They saw it as a 'foreign' war that they had no part of.
Rafius, you are absolutely right. Here is the quote to prove it.

"I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again; your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars."- FDR, Speech in Boston, October 30, 1940.

By the way, I totally agree with sentiment. That is why I was very glad that Clinton did not send troops into Rawanda and Obama is not sending troops into the Congo to solve their problems.
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Old 05-23-2012, 10:10 PM
 
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If it hadn't been for the attack on Pearl harbour by the Japanese, America would never have entered the war. They saw it as a 'foreign' war that they had no part of.
Simplistic as an explanation. While the attack on Pearl Harbor was the proximate cause of US involvement, we had already been involved since 1931 (the excuse just wasn't present at that time).

Why did the US become involved in World War 2

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While the US was technically neutral up to Pearl Harbor, they were already providing substantial aid to the Allied side. The British were being provided with arms and supplies on favorable terms, and no such supplies were being sent to the Axis. Convoys across the Atlantic were being escorted by US warships for the Western part of the journey.
More at this site:

WW2 - The True Cause of World War 2, WWII
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Old 05-23-2012, 10:45 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Simplistic as an explanation. While the attack on Pearl Harbor was the proximate cause of US involvement, we had already been involved since 1931 (the excuse just wasn't present at that time).
I was more referring to 'entering' as in committing troops. I don't think that would have happened without Pearl Harbour.
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