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Old 01-27-2012, 03:02 PM
 
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Apples and oranges comparison. Second hand smoke causes physical harm.
Religion has caused more physical harm in history than any tobacco product.

Besides, "second hand religion" causes mental stress and nausea. Much like pet doo-doo at a a nice beach or public park.
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Old 01-27-2012, 03:03 PM
 
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I agree that the ones issuing the threats are disturbed as well. The prayer hanging in a school is in no way against the constitution. If anything preventing the freedom of displaying said prayer, is in violation of the constitution.
Anyone is free to display religious articles wherever they want provided it is not in on government property. You are dislpaying your lack of understanding of the Lemon v Kurtzman ruling as well as a lack of comprehension of the Fisrt Amendment.
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Old 01-27-2012, 03:03 PM
 
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We should all be allowed to put whatever our beliefs are, on public property. We all pay for that public property. Put an atheist poster in my house for all I care. Is it really that big a deal?
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Old 01-27-2012, 03:10 PM
 
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We should all be allowed to put whatever our beliefs are, on public property. We all pay for that public property. Put an atheist poster in my house for all I care. Is it really that big a deal?
As long as it is a 'christian' belief, right?
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Old 01-27-2012, 03:10 PM
 
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Besides, "second hand religion" causes mental stress and nausea.
Then don't look at the stupid prayer, if you are so easily bothered by it. Problem solved. A court case though? What a joke.
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Old 01-27-2012, 03:12 PM
 
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We should all be allowed to put whatever our beliefs are, on public property. We all pay for that public property. Put an atheist poster in my house for all I care. Is it really that big a deal?
Is upholding the Constitution of the Unites States really that big a deal? Yes.
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Old 01-27-2012, 03:12 PM
 
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As long as it is a 'christian' belief, right?
No, absolutely not. Make it an atheist mantra (whatever that may look like) for all I care.
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Old 01-27-2012, 03:14 PM
 
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Is upholding the Constitution of the Unites States really that big a deal? Yes.
Well we can just agree to disagree then because I think it is against the constitution to prevent religious freedom.
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Old 01-27-2012, 03:17 PM
 
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Well we can just agree to disagree then because I think it is against the constitution to prevent religious freedom.
Again, it amounts to captive religious instruction in a taxpayer supported public school, which the Supreme Court ruled 64 years ago is unconstitutional. Such captive religious instruction in a government school IS a violation of religious freedom and a violation of the establishment clause.
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Old 01-27-2012, 03:38 PM
 
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Well we can just agree to disagree then because I think it is against the constitution to prevent religious freedom.
OK, lemme try to make you understand what we're trying to get across.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

Respecting;
to hold in esteem or honor
to show regard or consideration for
to refrain from intruding upon or interfering with.
to relate or have reference to


Establishment; the act or an instance of
Establish
to found, institute, build, or bring into being on a firm or stable basis
to install or settle in a position, place, business, etc
to show to be valid or true; prove
to cause to be accepted or recognized
to bring about permanently

What that means is Congress shall, (shall meaning mandatory) not under any circumstances, make no law which considers or relates to the validity, acceptance, building of or supporting, religion.

Having said that, the courts have ruled that in ceratin contexts, the use of public funds cannot be used contrary to the above concept and the display of religious items on publicly owned property is contrary above concept.

So, government is therfore prevented from getting involved in he religious business at all.

This way the government cannot be accused of furthering anyone's particular religion. it stays out of it completely to avoid the appearance of impropriety and to avoid unethical behavoir. Government is mandated to remain neutral on this issue. That means no involvement in religion in any way shape or form. The placing of any religious item in a publicly owned building is contrary to Supreme Court rulings.

Check the following case law;

Lemon v Kurtzman

Hein v Freedom From Religion Foundation

Salazar v Buono
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