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Old 02-25-2012, 03:09 AM
 
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Please answer this only if you are or have given it serious thought. I don't want this to become a slap-stick thread that allows people to avoid the actual question. Thank you.

QUESTION: Do you think or believe that the force of LIFE (LIFE being defined as consciousness of intelligent beings) will always exist in the Universe? Or do you think it could somehow become an extinct phenomenon?
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Old 02-25-2012, 03:50 AM
 
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Don't know about the universe.....not sure what's out there......but yes, I think "Life" could very easily become extinct on this earth.

Either we will destroy ourselves......or.....the sun will explode and BANG.....all gone.

We all know the sun has a finite life span....so the clock is ticking.

Personally, I think man will destroy the human race long before the sun gets around to it.
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Old 02-25-2012, 04:57 AM
 
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It really all depends on whether or not consciousness can survive the physical deaths of intelligent beings. That's the million dollar question right there. If consciousness is nothing more than a product of the brain that shuts down when people die, then no, this force of life may not always be around forever.

If consciousness does survive beyond physical death, then I see no reason why this life force should ever become extinct. How can you kill it if death doesn't work?

Maybe one day if thoughts can be measured and proven to be made up of matter or energy or something, then perhaps we can know for a fact this life force some people believe in can never die. This will, of course, just lead to more questions and a lot more speculation. The cycle of discovering things and questioning never really ends when you think about it.
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Old 02-25-2012, 07:11 AM
 
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Please answer this only if you are or have given it serious thought. I don't want this to become a slap-stick thread that allows people to avoid the actual question. Thank you.

QUESTION: Do you think or believe that the force of LIFE (LIFE being defined as consciousness of intelligent beings) will always exist in the Universe? Or do you think it could somehow become an extinct phenomenon?
There are two pieces to this question. Let me answer the latter piece first.
I believe that anything that does exist now, might cease to exist in the future. Could the human race become extinct? Sure.

The second issue is the idea of the 'force of LIFE'. It doesn't seem to be that there is really such a thing, just individual animals of individual species with the capacity for self awareness. I am not convinced that there is any hard and fast delineation between our mind and 'consciousness' and other animals. If there is life elsewhere in the universe, it might be similar enough to us that we think of it as being conscious. If we become extinct, something else eventually might evolve to fill the niche. Or not...

I don't believe that the universe somehow mandates a set of beings like us. There is no reason why we or any other 'conscious' being has to exist at all, we just do.

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Old 02-25-2012, 09:09 AM
 
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No. The inverse will be around for hundreds of billions of years but even it has an expiration date. Someday the universe will have expanded so far that it will have cooled to absolute zero degrees and nothing will be able to happen (including life). But that's a long time away.
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Old 02-25-2012, 09:48 AM
 
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QUESTION: Do you think or believe that the force of LIFE (LIFE being defined as consciousness of intelligent beings) will always exist in the Universe? Or do you think it could somehow become an extinct phenomenon?
Conscious, intelligent life can definitely become extinct. And it almost certainly will become extinct on earth at some point in the future.

As for the universe, if life exists anywhere and has evolved into conscious, intelligent life, then it will eventually meet the same fate.
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Old 02-25-2012, 10:25 AM
 
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It is estimated that over 99.9% of all species that ever lived are extinct. The average life-span of most species is 10 million years, although this varies widely between taxa
It not looking too good for us or any other species. I'd be extremely interested if humans could make 10 million years.
Though there seem to be a 0.01% chance (probably more related to bacterial life) that we/our descendants could survive.

The only possible way that I see humans and/or whatever higher species come from us could surviving until "our" universe's demise is through combining ourselves (our information/knowledge/memories) with technology. Basically we have to work on making ourselves immortal in a sense that our knowledge is not lost to the ages. Whether that is through mechanical or virtual or some other yet thought of method remains to be seen. But it must be done in order for "life" whatever form it takes in the future to survive until the "end" (whatever from it takes) of the universe.

Disclaimer: what I'm about to say below is not scientifically proven but is in the theoretical realm of science at the moment.

Granted I don't think if "we" made it that far, that "we" would not try to survive beyond the universe’s demise, if that is an option. I think the only hope for "us" at that point is the ability to either get ourselves to another dimension where the laws of physics or particular circumstances allow for that universe to last a bit longer than ours. Or to have the ability or even the option to head to a parallel universe within the multiverse that is able to support whatever life form that is our descendants.

But after saying all this. I personally think we're Fooked.
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Old 02-25-2012, 02:11 PM
 
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intelligent life can become extinct and probably will at some point in the future. Unless a meteor hits and changes everything rapidly or the sun explodes, this may not happen for millions of years. A worldwide epidemic of the ebola virus or similar could also wipe us out.
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Old 02-25-2012, 05:11 PM
 
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Please answer this only if you are or have given it serious thought. I don't want this to become a slap-stick thread that allows people to avoid the actual question. Thank you.

QUESTION: Do you think or believe that the force of LIFE (LIFE being defined as consciousness of intelligent beings) will always exist in the Universe? Or do you think it could somehow become an extinct phenomenon?
I have no reason to believe existed for billions of years after the Universe came into being, and I absolutely expect it to disappear before the universe undergoes heat death. Sucks, doesn't it?
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Old 02-25-2012, 05:44 PM
 
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Life would disappear, energy will degrade adn the universe will reach the intropic point (Or whatever term u choose) and energy, motion would cease, being in a 100billion or so cycle,
Life on earth would be extinct. In a few billion years, the mass of the sun and the corresponding heat/radiation belt will consume the earth. Nothing will survive this. As such, there would be no life to measure the after-effects, either.
Ultimately, this is the ultimate diproof of "god". Nothing, no living matter, could survive this, and nothing could exist outside of this, therefore, if such a thing exists, it to would be mortal, it's energy swept away in the million degress incinerator of the solar flares.
Energy remainng, would degrade ... Consider a radio signal beamed into space. After a few light years the signal starts to degrade, and along this pattern, at some point, it would degrade completely though that might not be measurable in polynomial time.

Now if we were to pack up the population in three spaceships, placing all the intellectuals on the first one, all the scientists, philosophers, great artist, inventors etc, and place all the workers/laborers on the third one, and the second being manned with say, middle people, like human resource managers, life coaches, copywriters etc and just for fun, launch the second one first to another planet, then the first and third to a different planet, then we would see a continuance of life on one of thos at least for a wile....just an idea/theory (for when we gather the technology to do that)

Anyway how do we not know that life does not exist elsewhere in the universe already?
life could have laready evolved elsewhere, we just do not have the technology to measure it.
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