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Old 07-23-2012, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Canada
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Brainwashed Christian threatens Atheist with eternal torture. - Atheist Experience - YouTube
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Old 07-23-2012, 04:43 PM
 
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Its not necessary for any Christian to threaten an Atheist with eternal torture ; its the alledged 'Atheist' who chooses it himself thru endless ridicule, mockery, and making up excuses that 'there is no Creator' ; so, for eternity....such a person simply gets what he always wanted : Greater distance from their Creator . Quite fair and just to which no 'Atheist' should complain about !

Theres times when it might be ok to remind such a Person the path they are on , just to bring em back to reality. In fact, its an act of love to do so.
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Old 07-23-2012, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Canada
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Its not necessary for any Christian to threaten an Atheist with eternal torture ; its the alledged 'Atheist' who chooses it himself thru endless ridicule, mockery, and making up excuses that 'there is no Creator' ; so, for eternity....such a person simply gets what he always wanted : Greater distance from their Creator . Quite fair and just to which no 'Atheist' should complain about !

Theres times when it might be ok to remind such a Person the path they are on , just to bring em back to reality. In fact, its an act of love to do so.

there is no evidence of a creator. what kind of god leaves no detectable evidence and expect people to live by faith?
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Augusta, Ga.
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Meester Chung, his inner experience, that from the Holy Spirit he let lead him tells him the Absolute Truth, thereby self-brainwashing himself to fling upon us all his naivete! He would take misinterpretations of evidence as evidence! Alvin Plantinga's warrant, Pascals' Wager and Kierkeggaard's fideism cannot instantiate 007.5's wishful-thinkig! To be invidious, why Augustine and Aquinas both argue for the pyre for us infidels in the name of love, and others used the pyre, even against co-relgionists!
Hell is hearing such twaddle about God is love,believe in Him or else! That " love" reflects the divine protection racket outlined in John 3: 16 to 18.
Yes, I rock,but I am a fallibilist who as Fr. Griggs rests in his Socratic ignorance and humble naturalism.
Fr. Griggs
Computer problems kept me from coming here.
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Old 07-24-2012, 01:15 AM
 
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Its not necessary for any Christian to threaten an Atheist with eternal torture ; its the alledged 'Atheist' who chooses it himself thru endless ridicule, mockery, and making up excuses that 'there is no Creator' ; so, for eternity....such a person simply gets what he always wanted : Greater distance from their Creator . Quite fair and just to which no 'Atheist' should complain about !
Threatening someone with eternal torture through a convenient non-present 2nd party who agrees with you is the same thing.
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Old 07-24-2012, 12:26 PM
 
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there is no evidence of a creator. what kind of god leaves no detectable evidence and expect people to live by faith?
There is no evidence of 'an Atheist' ; what kind of Person pretends that a personal creation just came along naturally , by accident, from no personal Cause and who refuses to open their eyes to the physical evidence by way of extreme repeated specified complexity found in everything from the migrational cycle of the Monarch Butterfly to the 60 some major systems of the human anatomy which are all required and which all must work collaboratively so we can be alive to the deliberate informational messages to build found in the DNA molecule to the Cosmological Constant anthropic having a scientifically measured critical tolerance to the 120th decimal place leeway plus others of simular razor edge precision to the countless other displays which only derive from a willful personal Source....to which a foolish excuse-giver as yourself desires to continue his charade for personal ulterior motives including making himSELF out to be god of his own life ?

You dont have enough faith to be a real Atheist . No one does...its too irrational and illogical , albiet excuse driven for maximized autonomous living deemed as so precious to maintain at all costs (and, the cost will be off the chart one day soon) .
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Old 07-24-2012, 01:10 PM
 
Location: kind of North of the middle of nowhere, FL
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There is no evidence of 'an Atheist' ; what kind of Person pretends that a personal creation just came along naturally , by accident, from no personal Cause and who refuses to open their eyes to the physical evidence by way of extreme repeated specified complexity found in everything from the migrational cycle of the Monarch Butterfly to the 60 some major systems of the human anatomy which are all required and which all must work collaboratively so we can be alive to the deliberate informational messages to build found in the DNA molecule to the Cosmological Constant anthropic having a scientifically measured critical tolerance to the 120th decimal place leeway plus others of simular razor edge precision to the countless other displays which only derive from a willful personal Source....to which a foolish excuse-giver as yourself desires to continue his charade for personal ulterior motives including making himSELF out to be god of his own life ?

You dont have enough faith to be a real Atheist . No one does...its too irrational and illogical , albiet excuse driven for maximized autonomous living deemed as so precious to maintain at all costs (and, the cost will be off the chart one day soon) .
Well, I DO have enough evidence/fatih to be an atheist.
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Old 07-24-2012, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Canada
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There is no evidence of 'an Atheist' ; what kind of Person pretends that a personal creation just came along naturally , by accident, from no personal Cause and who refuses to open their eyes to the physical evidence by way of extreme repeated specified complexity found in everything from the migrational cycle of the Monarch Butterfly to the 60 some major systems of the human anatomy which are all required and which all must work collaboratively so we can be alive to the deliberate informational messages to build found in the DNA molecule to the Cosmological Constant anthropic having a scientifically measured critical tolerance to the 120th decimal place leeway plus others of simular razor edge precision to the countless other displays which only derive from a willful personal Source....to which a foolish excuse-giver as yourself desires to continue his charade for personal ulterior motives including making himSELF out to be god of his own life ?

You dont have enough faith to be a real Atheist . No one does...its too irrational and illogical , albiet excuse driven for maximized autonomous living deemed as so precious to maintain at all costs (and, the cost will be off the chart one day soon) .

Faith is believing without evidence you have faith in a god that does not leave any detectible evidence.

provide detectible evidence of your god and quit using logical fallacies and talking about crap you know nothing about




the human body is poorly design you god is either callous, or incompetent why do you want me to worship a monster that leave no evidence and design the body is such a poor manner?

  • In the human female, a fertilized egg can implant into the fallopian tube, cervix or ovary rather than the uterus causing an ectopic pregnancy. The existence of a cavity between the ovary and the fallopian tube could indicate a flawed design in the female reproductive system. Prior to modern surgery, ectopic pregnancy invariably caused the deaths of both mother and baby. Even in modern times, in almost all cases, the pregnancy must be aborted to save the life of the mother.
  • In the human female, the birth canal passes through the pelvis. The prenatal skull will deform to a surprising extent. However, if the babyís head is significantly larger than the pelvic opening, the baby cannot be born naturally. Prior to the development of modern surgery (caesarean section), such a complication would lead to the death of the mother, the baby or both. Other birthing complications such as breech birth are worsened by this position of the birth canal.
  • In the human male, testes develop initially within the abdomen. Later during gestation, they migrate through the abdominal wall into the *******. This causes two weak points in the abdominal wall where hernias can later form. Prior to modern surgical techniques, complications from hernias, including intestinal blockage, gangrene, etc., usually resulted in death.[4]


other examples





  • Barely used nerves and muscles, such as the plantaris muscle of the foot,[5] that are missing in part of the human population and are routinely harvested as spare parts if needed during operations. Another example is the muscles that move the ears, which some people can learn to control to a degree, but serve no purpose in any case (,[1] p. 328).
  • The common malformation of the human spinal column, leading to scoliosis, sciatica and congenital misalignment of the vertebrae.
  • Almost all animals and plants synthesize their own vitamin C, but humans cannot because the gene for this enzyme is defective (Pseudogene ΨGULO).[6] Lack of vitamin C results in scurvy and eventually death. The gene is also non-functional in other primates and in guinea pigs, but is functional in most other animals.[7]

The breathing reflex is stimulated not directly by the absence of oxygen but rather indirectly by the presence of carbon dioxide. A result is that, at high altitudes, oxygen deprivation can occur in unadapted individuals who do not consciously increase their breathing rate. Oxygenless asphyxiation in a pure-nitrogen atmosphere has been proposed as a humane method of execution that exploits this oversight.

Female orgasm is usually produced only by the direct stimulation of the clitoris. The clitoris is not typically stimulated during sexual intercourse.


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Old 07-30-2012, 11:51 AM
 
Location: South Wales, Yes, I'm, back!
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There is no evidence of 'an Atheist' ; what kind of Person pretends that a personal creation just came along naturally , by accident, from no personal Cause and who refuses to open their eyes to the physical evidence by way of extreme repeated specified complexity found in everything from the migrational cycle of the Monarch Butterfly to the 60 some major systems of the human anatomy which are all required and which all must work collaboratively so we can be alive to the deliberate informational messages to build found in the DNA molecule to the Cosmological Constant anthropic having a scientifically measured critical tolerance to the 120th decimal place leeway plus others of simular razor edge precision to the countless other displays which only derive from a willful personal Source....to which a foolish excuse-giver as yourself desires to continue his charade for personal ulterior motives including making himSELF out to be god of his own life ?

You dont have enough faith to be a real Atheist . No one does...its too irrational and illogical , albiet excuse driven for maximized autonomous living deemed as so precious to maintain at all costs (and, the cost will be off the chart one day soon) .
You are using a back - to front argument, exemplified by the the puddle filling a hole and asking who designed the hole just to be the right shape. That is very simple and in fact there are a lot of processes that have to come about and 'evolve' to use an incorrect term into complex physical, chemical and biological structures.

Understanding the way this works and the evidence as to how it comes about makes it clear to us that to simply say some huge invisible human must have worked it all out beforehand is the illogical, uniformed and 'foolish' (to use your term) view, and the person who holds such a view is in fact one who will not open their eyes to the physical evidence and continues the 'charade' (your term again) of insisting that only a 'personal cause' (your term again) could have dunnit.

Such a person argues loudly that to refuse to swallow this rather poor argument implies some sort of denial or irrationality on our part. That argument is made on the basis of definite 'personal ulterior motives' which are very clear to us .
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Old 07-30-2012, 12:20 PM
 
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Its not necessary for any Christian to threaten an Atheist with eternal torture ;
I've known a few Christians who would think that the prospect of eternal torture for free would be a great deal considering how much they paid for it in this life.

And then there are these folks:

Christians In Philippines Self-Flagellate In Bloody Holy Week Ritual (GRAPHIC VIDEO) (PHOTOS)
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