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Old 11-02-2012, 12:38 PM
 
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Religion free society? Well it's been done before. Look to the old Soviet Union. And today we have North Korea. Two fine examples.
Or the horror that is Sweden.

I love it when believers try to bring up communist countries with deity-like supreme leaders as good examples of countries where Atheism is bad. The irony of that logic is amusing.
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Old 11-02-2012, 01:22 PM
 
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Or the horror that is Sweden.

I love it when believers try to bring up communist countries with deity-like supreme leaders as good examples of countries where Atheism is bad. The irony of that logic is amusing.
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Old 11-02-2012, 05:03 PM
 
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North Korea
Former Soviet Union
Cuba
Burma
Vietnam
China

^ ^ There you go.

I'm sure you would be happy living under Stalin's state atheism.
Stalin: "Imagine No Religion"
What is your hypothesis regarding why communist nations are pretty much always largely lacking what is commonly known as religion, but still deifying their leaders at times?
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Old 11-02-2012, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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I imagine that it would look almost exactly like our current society.

People would just have to come up with different excuses for their evil
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Old 11-02-2012, 08:40 PM
 
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It would be a much better place. Less resistance to progress due to religious issues. Less limiting of rights. More open-mindedness, better appreciation and funding of science. Less superstition. I could go on and on. A religion-free world cannot come soon enough.
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Old 11-02-2012, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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What do you think it would look like? Would the world be a better or worse place? I think most people here would agree generally to "better", but let's look at some of the specifics here.

Some ideas to consider:

-Republican politics as they are today wouldn't exist in their current form without religion. Maybe they would be more focused on the fiscal and small government aspects as they once were, instead of legislating gay marriage, abortion, etc.

-Modern science and medicine may become more advanced because there would be less hindrance due to religious objection (stem cells, etc).

-Would charity suffer? All of the church-sponsored soup kitchens wouldn't exist. So where would that type of social support derive from? Additionally, there are typically religious holiday drives like Toys fror Tots, etc. all of which are gone.

-Perhaps we would lose some great art. Naturally non-religious subjects can be inspiring, but inspiration strikes everyone differently, and for some of the great artists of the past religion was that inspiration.

-Stand up comedians would have one less topic to make fun of. What would Bill Maher do?!

Thoughts?
North Korea, the Soviet Union, Cuba, China, etc are/were all religion free.
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Old 11-02-2012, 08:47 PM
 
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Yes, but they are run by corrupt/inferior govts. One has nothing to do with the other.
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Old 11-02-2012, 08:59 PM
 
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Current countries with less religion

1. Sweden
2. Denmark
3. Norway
4. Japan
5. Czech Republic
6. Finland
7. France

http://www.pitzer.edu/academics/facu...under-7000.pdf

"high levels of organic atheism are strongly correlated with high levels of societal health, such as low homicide rates, low poverty rates, low infant mortality rates, and low illiteracy rates, as well as high levels of educational attainment, per capita income, and gender equality. Most nations characterized by high degrees of individual and societal security have the highest rates of organic atheism, and conversely, nations characterized by low degrees of individual and societal security have the lowest rates of organic atheism."
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Old 11-03-2012, 04:12 AM
 
Location: Somewhere out there
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Religion free society? Well it's been done before. Look to the old Soviet Union. And today we have North Korea. Two fine examples.
Well, Mr5150, you mistake an oligarchy or ruthless dictatorship that is ALSO anti-religious, as typical of an atheist society, simply because the ruling party hacks do not allow ANY competition, and also typically utilize brute military force, incl. murder, rape, imprisonments etc. to enforce their rigid ideals.

(Isn't it always so very funny when the fundamentalists here (like bchris02, or Nunnor, etc.) try, in vain, to tie such vile dictatorial behavior with true atheism? As if atheism is a contagious disease somehow always related to thugs! (Hmmm... too bad it's not contagious though huh? Soon, it'd be the dominant non-religion and boy.. things would be so much better!!)

You forgot to mention traditional Tibet. Or perhaps the Swedes today? Or Canada's current social pathway, steadfastly towards an overwhelmingly atheist society. Almost makes me want to go back "home"... Nahhhh: I hate socialism, and now I'm a true American citizen! Complete with my guaranteed Constitutional freedom from any silly fairy-tale religions being arbitrarily tamped down my throat! Or my children's throats! Esp. in public school science class! Out with that nonsense!

I will also note (and I'm sure you will agree...) that such vile and self-righteous behavior is v. well documented in the history of the church (See: The Hunchback of Notre Dame for a good story of same, if only fiction. It is factually accurate of course...)!

A truly religion-free society, in an otherwise democratic and secular society, would be a very pleasant non-competitive culture IMHO. Bring it on!

(And then imagine: a secular Republican party, getting down to the real business of running the country absent virulent wealth-redistributing parasitic socialism, but also absent the usual clucking old Christian-insistent hens and kohks!)

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Old 11-03-2012, 10:54 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Current countries with less religion

1. Sweden
2. Denmark
3. Norway
4. Japan
5. Czech Republic
6. Finland
7. France

http://www.pitzer.edu/academics/facu...under-7000.pdf

"high levels of organic atheism are strongly correlated with high levels of societal health, such as low homicide rates, low poverty rates, low infant mortality rates, and low illiteracy rates, as well as high levels of educational attainment, per capita income, and gender equality. Most nations characterized by high degrees of individual and societal security have the highest rates of organic atheism, and conversely, nations characterized by low degrees of individual and societal security have the lowest rates of organic atheism."
It's interesting how the statistics on atheism differ with each poll. I've done quite a bit of research on religion in Europe as part of my studies and Estonia consistently comes out as the least religious country in Europe, yet it's not even in the top 6 according to your link.

I don't think atheism is the deciding factor for societal health. I am quite sure - and Rifleman won't like me for saying this - that it is attributable to the social policies in those countries and the wealth that is necessary to sustain such policies. It is hard to deny when the countries with the most extensive social policies (Norway, Sweden and Denmark) are consistently ranked at the very top in terms of societal health while more atheistic countries such as Estonia and the Czech Republic don't do nearly as well. If Scandinavians suddenly became more religious, I don't think it would affect their societal health in any way as long as they maintained their social policies and wealth.

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