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"Because these dictators were coincidentally atheists, or simply didn't want any other obviously false icons in their ego-maniacal way, therefore it was Atheism itself, specifically, that caused the unnecessary and brutal deaths of those innocent people. A bunch of whom, btw, were also atheists!"
I do enjoy your rants, rifle . . . but it behooves me to point out a minor glitch in your defense of the atheist regimes. Their antipathy to ANY religion was the driving force in most of the deaths . . . with the "bunch of whom were also atheists" being the coincidental and collateral victims of the purges. Just saying.
I guess you are one of those fools who believe Hitler and the Nazis were atheists when they were in fact Christian..
And you are also forgetting the past 2000 years of Christian and Islam atrocities plus the past 4000+ years of religion in general.
Hitler may have called himself a christian, but his atrocities clearly indicated he was never born-again. We can tell a tree by the fruit it bears. A rotten tree cannot produce good fruit.
Yepp.... Jesus was "evil" when he taught people good morals and behavior?
Jesus condoned selling paupers into slavery
Matthew 18:25: "But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made."
He also condones beating slaves
Luke 12:45-48: "The lord [owner] of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more."
Jesus does NOT necessarily teach people to be moral or to behave morally. The bible is filled with contradictions
Hitler may have called himself a christian, but his atrocities clearly indicated he was never born-again. We can tell a tree by the fruit it bears. A rotten tree cannot produce good fruit.
Dont cast your pearls to -----.
A 3 year old uses more logic then most on this thread.
Hitler may have called himself a christian, but his atrocities clearly indicated he was never born-again. We can tell a tree by the fruit it bears. A rotten tree cannot produce good fruit.
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited."
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922
Dont cast your pearls to -----.
A 3 year old uses more logic then most on this thread.
Sorry if this goes against what you believe, but the bible is clear that those who are born again produce good fruit. Hitler was clearly still unregenerate.
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited."
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922
Anybody can say anything. Even satan can appear as an angel of light.
I do enjoy your rants, rifle . . . but it behooves me to point out a minor glitch in your defense of the atheist regimes. Their antipathy to ANY religion was the driving force in most of the deaths . . . with the "bunch of whom were also atheists" being the coincidental and collateral victims of the purges. Just saying.
I'd like to say that I enjoy your rants, too, Mystic, but actually I usually skip them. I may be biased of course, but I'd have said that the driving force behind what you call 'Atheist regimes' was political, and then about grabbing and keeping power.
While the antipathy towards religion as such (I would prefer not to name names, as I like the Chinese people and don't want to offend them) was enshrined in Marxist doctrine, the driving force was an unwillingness to tolerate any other ruling body. That was the driving force behind the Nazi crackdown (and Hitler, if it even needs to be said again, was NOT an atheist) on any organization other than its own.
Your attempt to blame the excesses of dictators on atheism and shrug off the atheists or non -religious as going the same way as the religious as 'collateral' (ever thought of going into politics?) says more about your efforts to make a debunked rhetorical cudgel (evil atheist regimes) stick by stating debatable (not to say false) claims with the supreme confidence of faith, than it does about atheism.
By the way, YOUR remarks about Islam make you and Dawkins look as though you are reading from the same book.
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(ever thought of going into politics?) says more about your efforts to make a debunked rhetorical cudgel (evil atheist regimes) stick by stating debatable (not to say false) claims with the supreme confidence of faith, than it does about atheism.
