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Old 11-28-2012, 01:36 AM
Location: Hyrule
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Originally Posted by BIMBAM View Post
Oh, the reason for that is that when they adopted it on December 25th that was the winter solstice. See, at the time they were still using the Julian Calendar which was mostly accurate, but which drifted a little over time because it didn't have leap years to correct for a year not having an exactly even number of days. So the winter solstice as an astronomical event drifted until a clever Roman figured out the Gregorian Calendar and fixed that little error. It's that same reason St. John the Baptist Day is also celebrated 3 days from the summer solstice (still a big holiday in my neck of the woods, and we burn bonfires all night long, presumably to commemorate the longest day of the year, the origin of that little tradition which is universal for all St. John the Baptist Days in every country and which has been reported in the historical records from ancient times).

By the way, I love Christmas and feel sad for Atheists who don't celebrate it. My cousin's boyfriend's atheist family don't celebrate Christmas and he always felt he was missing out on a wonderful tradition, so now he goes to her Hindu family's house and celebrates Christmas with them, a holiday they've embraced as a fun, joyous cultural tradition.
That's funny because I'm atheist and celebrate Christmas and my cousin is Jehovah's Witness and doesn't celebrate it, they believe Jesus is a God below the big God but not his son or something similar to that. lol Funny how that works.

My sister in law is Jewish and doesn't celebrate it either. This is why.
Origin of Christmas | The history of Christmas and how it began

I celebrate the mythical Santa, the spirit of giving and shopping in our capitalist country and bringing family together for yet another holiday celebrating something purchased. It's supports shop owners and when they're happy we are all happy! Everyone needs a job right now so I do my part. Plus my kids like the pagan tree with lights and showing appreciation for each other by giving gifts. Not to mention the yard decor. Can't beat it. I love it!

We also like the new tradition of big ole' fake Santa and sleigh. Pretty fun stuff. Of course my kids were never told Santa was real. That wouldn't be very atheist of me. But we enjoy it just the same. It's a charming story.
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Old 11-28-2012, 01:39 AM
Location: Hyrule
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Originally Posted by Nunnor View Post
No it wasn't picked to celebrate Christ birth on 12/25 because of the winter solstice.
Anyone who don't celebrate Christmas is missing out an amazing holiday
I agree Santa rocks and so do those lights! I love Christmas, second to Halloween of course.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:23 PM
Location: On the Edge of the Fringe
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It is interesting that the only group of people who do not give me any flack over celebrating Christmas as I do are other atheists.
Consider this:
As I have mentioned before, I always attend Midnight Mass at a formal Episcopal High Church. Fellow Atheists understand that my observence of this event is akin to watching a great presentation of Shakespeare in the Park, or being at opening night of La Traviata, or perhaps hearing a symphony perform Holst's Planets. It is, when performed well, a work of art.

Atheists understand my appreciation for the arts and would understand that watching a nativity play is no different in subject matter than watching The Odyssey or, perhaps The Comical Adventures of Thor.......

Christians however, do not get it. First, we have the loud mouth evangelical/fundies, who want to tell me that I should not be attending the Mass because it is not "Biblical" and therefore they do not believe in it. Likewise, they do not want anyone else to believe in it either. Then we have conservative Christians, who tell me I am going to Midnight Mass (aka "church") "For all the wrong reasons" vis a vis not the reasons THEY would go. There are of couse the catholics, who say I should not support to episcopal church, but then again, catholics have made me feel very unwelcome at their mass because I am not a catholic.....
Many protestants have said that no one should supprt any form of mass, even episcopal, because it is too similar to cahtolic practices. I have even had a few less intellegent church of Christers try to tell me that I am "not allowed" to attend any mass, but these were desperate futile attempts which have failed on their part.... then of course are those who say that December 25th is not Je-sus' Birth so it should not be abserved as such, or that going to mass should not be seen as entertainment, and since I am an apostate why even go, etc etc ad nauseum....

Then there is my old lady, who says that I am being a hypocrit because I rail against religion year round and then go because I like the songs they sing and the service they perform.....
Of course the people who attend regularly do not know who I am, they do not talk to me and probably have no concern of whether I am there or not, as long as I am not in their way, so they at least never say anything . There is a sign out front that says "The Episcopal church welcomes you" although it should say in fine print underneath "We prefer that you bring a pile of cash with you in order to truly feel welcome."

Then there are of curse, the intellectuals, mainly atheists and agnostics, who would say either "It is a free country and you can worship as you choose on Christmas Eve" or something along the lines of "Well hope you enjoy yourself"
Never have I heard any compaints or any flack from atheists for going to Midnight Mass. But I have heard tons of it from the religious sector.
But, what would you expect when money is involved........?
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