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Old 12-08-2012, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Neither should we have to tolerate. Plus, this is just not going to happen. The god-pumpers count on the element of surprise, so they can catch you off guard and try to get in their spiel. They are not going to call to get your permission for them to COME BOTHER YOU.

No one should be subjected to disturbance of their quiet enjoyment, by phone or by personal contact.

It's not a matter of which is the greatest burden, I should be subjected to no burden at all.
I do not want them coming or calling either, but until we pass laws which prohibit phoning strangers or knocking on people's doors, we have to live with the prevailing conditions.

In such a case, I would prefer a phone call to a personal visit, wouldn't you?
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Old 12-08-2012, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Aiken, South Carolina, US of A
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Grandstander,
You are missing the point.
There are boundaries that have to be set when it comes to
religious beliefs.
Both personal and political, in the USA anyway.
The main boundary for me is my refuge, my home.
I also have boundaries in my politics for my country, but that
is not what is being discussed here.
THere are religions who tell thier followers to convince people to join
their religion and they will go to heaven.
But my personal boundaries will not be crossed.
Wether I am an athiest or another religious faith, they don't have
the right to try and push thier religious beliefs on me. Period.
Now do you get it?
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Old 12-08-2012, 01:50 PM
 
Location: The #1 sunshine state, Arizona.
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told a bible thumper on numerous occasions to not to come to my door keep telling me it is there right to do so. so i called the local police and entered a harassment complaint and trespass person was not happy when the police told them next time the will go to jail and that goes for anyone from their storefront cult church. made my nite after over a year of this fool pounding on my door like it was a life and death matter. the po told him and her that their freedom of religion is also my freedom from.
Here is how I stopped visits from the holy rollers. They rang the doorbell, I answered and told them, "Last time one of you people stopped by to tell me the good news, you left a religious tract in my door, but failed to close my screen door properly. A gust of wind blew my door off the hinges, are you here to pay for my new screen door?" They don't want to pay you money, and will high tail off your property faster than you can say, "Christ on a cracker." True story.
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Old 12-08-2012, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Grandstander,
You are missing the point.
There are boundaries that have to be set when it comes to
religious beliefs.
Both personal and political, in the USA anyway.
The main boundary for me is my refuge, my home.
I also have boundaries in my politics for my country, but that
is not what is being discussed here.
THere are religions who tell thier followers to convince people to join
their religion and they will go to heaven.
But my personal boundaries will not be crossed.
Wether I am an athiest or another religious faith, they don't have
the right to try and push thier religious beliefs on me. Period.
Now do you get it?
Not even slightly. Where in the above do you address the prevailing realities of the law? People are legally entitled to knock on your door, people are legally entitled to call you on the phone.

That you do not like or wish for either, does not alter that legal status, does it?

I am completely aware that you do not want either, you have made that clear. That you do not wish that these folks had a right to do these things, you have made clear. You do not have to keep repeating that.

Unfortunately for you, as things stand, they do have the right to approach you.

So...within the existing framework of the law, where these folks are allowed to bother you via personal visits and phone calls, I am asking...would you not prefer the phone call?
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Old 12-08-2012, 02:23 PM
 
Location: The Pacific Northwest
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Now i live in the south.
Do I have to say anything more?
I am a heathen living in the land of god.
It's a beautiful Wednesday morning and my
hubby and I are sitting out back enjoying my
morning coffee, we rarely get this chance.
A car drives up our stone driveway.
OMG. Jehovah's are here again.
The last time they left that stupid thing on our
doorknob. I know it's them.
He runs out yelling at them to go away.
They get back in the car and leave right away.
I will tell you one thing, if you live in South Carolina
and the owner runs out to tell you to leave, YOU LEAVE.
That's the southern way, religion or no religion.
I have to come up with another way to discourage them,
just not too obvious, my hubby wants to run out naked next time.
I told him that's not a good idea, I will come up with something else.......

Hmmm...I like this post very much. I think the reason is because it's written in a sort of verse, like poetry. It reminds me a bit of Charles Bukowski. (only wihtout the obscenities, lol).
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Old 12-08-2012, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Front Range of Colorado
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I do not want them coming or calling either, but until we pass laws which prohibit phoning strangers or knocking on people's doors, we have to live with the prevailing conditions.

In such a case, I would prefer a phone call to a personal visit, wouldn't you?
I explained why a phone call will not happen. Also,you would have to be very lonely to AGREE over the phone to let a perfect stranger come into your home and tell you about Jesus. There are all sorts of reasons this would not and should not work. This type of phone screening would be an excellent way for a criminal to get access to vulnerable people. Lastly, to me, phone calls are at least as annoying as personal visits.

When someone rings your bell, you have the choice of not answering the ring. It is my choice and circumstance and whim dictate if I will answer the door or not. I don't harass kids or the very old people who shuffle up to my door to invite me to church. I usually take a different tact towards the more aggressive and arrogant hate-pushers, depending on the situation. Sometimes I will ask them about verses like Isaiah 45:7. My stock question is "Why do I or anyone else need to be saved?" After much avoidance of the unavoidable, Hell, I usually end it by telling them that the only thing I need to be saved from is their god and his followers. If they are really oily and slimy, I take a much more vicious stance. I might ask them "Do you talk to god?" When they reply "Yes", I'll scream "WELL TELL GOD I'M WATCHING FOOTBALL!" and shut the door in their face.

These *******s are fair game and I am under no obligation to respect them or their gods.
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Old 12-08-2012, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Temporarily, in Limerick
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I do not want them coming or calling either, but until we pass laws which prohibit phoning strangers or knocking on people's doors, we have to live with the prevailing conditions.

In such a case, I would prefer a phone call to a personal visit, wouldn't you?
Interesting conversation, as so many have such varying opinions.

Grand, don't we already have laws against unsolicited phone calls, hence the donotcall.gov site, call blocking, etc? We can even click on email choices to opt out of solicitations. The fact that telemarketers changed their industry's name to market research in order to still place such calls is a devious way to say they don't care for anyone's personal rights & desire to be left alone. They'll just regroup, come up with another tactic & charge forward again, no matter that we've already said 'no'. Further, many bldgs I've lived or worked in had gold signs screwed into the brickwork saying 'No Solicitors'. It must be legal, otherwise they wouldn't be there, yeah?

For the call vs doorbell ringing debate, well, that's akin to being forced to choose whether one would like to be poked in the right or left eye. Ahh... how 'bout neither. There are as many reasons to wish to be left in peace at home & not be subjected to another's views, beliefs or wares, as there are people... from shift workers who sleep odd hours, to mums with active or sleeping children, to families wanting quality time alone, to animals who get stressed out when strangers come to the door, to just me wanting to settle in peace & tranquility after a long day & have a laugh with the SO.

To throw another spanner into the mix, I don't even care for the abundance of mail solicitations I receive, but at least no one is waking or disturbing me to leave that unwanted information. In fact, virtually all of my mail is junk mail, local biz solicitations & flyers from stores I'll never frequent. Still, churches could mail or quietly leave flyers rather than risk disturbing others. Wouldn't a peaceful, loving religion teach being cognizant of one's fellow man? Honestly, if I wish to join a church or find a local car insurance firm, it's not like I'll wander around aimlessly through the city streets, day & night, teary eyed with wind whistling 'round my head, hoping someone will guide me to such a place. I'm fairly certain I could find many & choose one on my own.

Local Chinese restaurants just leave menus, they don't bang on the front door & back windows everyday to recite daily specials. Bikini waxing salons don't show up in pink vans for forced grooming... okay, I know some who could benefit by either, but I digress & further, can't pass up an opportunity for a chuckle.

I don't often like this word, but it fits here. We are entitled to personal space, privacy & peace in our own homes, on our own phones, in our own email accounts, in our own cars. I can live with non-intrusive bothers, like flyers left on my car (although it gives my heart a start as I always think I have a parking ticket), making my way through the maze of people asking for donations in front of the market ('no, thanks' & a smile works well for me) & my mailbox stuffed with unwanted advertisements, even though all still waste a bit of my time. Arriving at my door uninvited or calling me at night on my personal phone with private number as if we're friends planning a get-together, because one wants to sell me their company widgets, over-priced services, political views or personal religious beliefs just isn't appreciated. If I want any of the above, I know where I can find any & all of it. And, since this thread focused on religion, I'd add further that should I choose to have a religious discussion, I could find family or friends with whom to have such a talk, rather than random strangers happening passed my front door. Just my 2-pence.

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Old 12-08-2012, 07:13 PM
 
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There is certainly no reason on our part to be nasty to them.
They bleed just like everyone else.
Yeah, but their blood is acid. Ever see Alien?
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Old 12-08-2012, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Temporarily, in Limerick
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Answer the door buck nekkid, with a bottle of JD, and invite them to come right in.
But...

What if you look great au naturale, the bottle is full, solicitor looks like an older, less handsome version of Herman Munster on a bad day & shouts "You bet your boots!" when asked to enter?

Another fine mess you've gotten us into, Jasper...

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Old 12-08-2012, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Canada
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i don't respect anybody's right to knock on my door and tell me about their unwanted cults
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