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Old 01-18-2013, 03:10 AM
 
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I can't believe we even have to debate the validity of this ridiculous myth.

What's next? Shall we start a thread on whether or not snakes can talk? How to turn water into wine? How to divide the Red Sea?

Do we really need to waste time and effort on debating the undebatable?

 
Old 01-18-2013, 03:55 AM
 
Location: Ostend,Belgium....
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Noah's ark's a parable to be used as a fairytale, with a message at the end...not everything in the bible is reality.
but in trying to prove their god is real, some go as far as to drag it all into reality anyway. Desperation!
I compare it to Greek mythology and all the other -ologies.
 
Old 01-18-2013, 07:43 AM
 
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Noah's ark's a parable to be used as a fairytale, with a message at the end...not everything in the bible is reality.
but in trying to prove their god is real, some go as far as to drag it all into reality anyway. Desperation!
I compare it to Greek mythology and all the other -ologies.
You're exactly right. The problem is that there are groups of people who subscribe to "The bible is the word of God" and that everything in it is 100% true.

Once they admit that Noah's Ark was a parable, or that the world and everything in it was created in 6 days, or that someone could live in a whale's belly was "just a parable" then they have to answer the questions of Jesus' works. Were they just a parable as well? Were they propaganda?

In other words, how can a "believer" say "well that story was just a parable, but this story really happened". In my mind if the very first story in a book, any book, is false, how can the rest of the stories be taken seriously?
 
Old 01-19-2013, 02:49 AM
 
Location: Dallas,Texas
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You're exactly right. The problem is that there are groups of people who subscribe to "The bible is the word of God" and that everything in it is 100% true.

Once they admit that Noah's Ark was a parable, or that the world and everything in it was created in 6 days, or that someone could live in a whale's belly was "just a parable" then they have to answer the questions of Jesus' works. Were they just a parable as well? Were they propaganda?

In other words, how can a "believer" say "well that story was just a parable, but this story really happened". In my mind if the very first story in a book, any book, is false, how can the rest of the stories be taken seriously?
The problem that the fundies have is that they intuitively know that if certain parts of the Bible can be shown to be metaphor or allegory, then it calls into question as to what verses are literal and what verses are not. To me, it doesn't take a whole lot before the Bible ends up falling like a house of cards. Nowhere in the intro to the Bible does God say what verses to take literally and which verses to take allegorically. That's the huge problem with this supposed communication tool from this God and one of it's most fatal flaws. You would think that the almighty creator of the universe can do better than this. Apparently not. Man made book is what I say.
 
Old 01-19-2013, 03:24 AM
 
Location: Ostend,Belgium....
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the bible is a man made book full of stories and tales, some of them taller than others, to get people to follow this religion. All religions are man made and stem from wanting to get rid of and explain fear of the unknown, nature, the sun and stars, the weather..all things that scared the early man terribly. Shamans and other thinking people started to explain through parabels that others could comprehend, they feared still but also had comfort from a higher being that watched over them and offered a place to go after death. It's not perfect and is being adjusted all the time, it evolves just like humans have. The bible is also full of moral stories and code. It's been a very valuable book throughout the ages but not all thruth and fact.
We should never forget how long ago it was started and where in the world all this took place.
Humans have not all evolved beyond needing a crutch, well most haven't..I just hope science doesn't take religion's place. Although science is what can be proven, most people are not scientists and don't understand the Hadron Collider and how it works, for example. So those people can only believe it and trust that scientists are right and not making it up.
 
Old 01-19-2013, 12:48 PM
 
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In other words, how can a "believer" say "well that story was just a parable, but this story really happened". In my mind if the very first story in a book, any book, is false, how can the rest of the stories be taken seriously?
Well that's pretty ridiculous. Are you saying it's impossible to mix historical fact and metaphor? Jesus spoke in parables quite often. Does that mean nothing he ever said was true? Genesis is a metaphorical song intended to express a theological message based on the Hebrew's primitive understanding of the universe. The literalness of Genesis has no bearing on the literalness of the Book of Matthew. They serve different purposes, were written by different people and were written thousands of years apart.
 
Old 01-19-2013, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Somewhere out there
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I can't believe we even have to debate the validity of this ridiculous myth.

What's next? Shall we start a thread on whether or not snakes can talk? How to turn water into wine? How to divide the Red Sea?

Do we really need to waste time and effort on debating the undebatable?
Well, it's exactly because of the likes of you, logline, with your inarguable logic and the instinctive clarity you bring to such thread-dead arguments! Congrats! I do however, note the absolute silence issuing from the religious zealots this afternoon. Seems they instinctively know when to go hide, like a lizard at high noon, slithering away, terrified of the unbearable brightness of knowing!

Even a dumb-a$pp lizard knows when it's too hot to try to exist! Time to turn tail, so to speak, and crawl way back into that desperate cave of ignorance, only to emerge in the near-darkness, when their unique brand of existence is OK!
 
Old 01-19-2013, 07:37 PM
 
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It remains possible that the mythological Noah tale found in the Bible could be based on actual events.

The Hebrews were not alone, nor were they the first culture to produce a tale of a world destroying flood after which life was replenished by the god/gods favored survivors.

Three or four thousand years ago there was not a great deal of mobility, the vast majority of people lived and died without ever venturing very far from their dwellings. Their little section of the world was the entire world to them. Consequently, a regional flood which was 100 % destructive to their community, could very well be interpreted as a planet wide flood. As far as they could see there was water, and they didn't have much of an idea of what lay beyond, but why not assume it was also flooded?

This would explain the multiple flood myth stories, each a regional disaster which was perceived as a global one.

And there may well have been some fellow who anticipated the next flood, built a large lifeboat of some sort, brought some animals aboard..and survived. Over the years of telling and retelling the story, it got inflated, expanded, god was introduced, two of all living critters were saved and so forth.
 
Old 01-19-2013, 07:42 PM
 
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^^^

Yes. Well stated. And we can view history and see that this is precisely how many myths and legends came to be. A kernel of truth that, in the retelling and through attempts to make it "larger-than-life" become fantastical.
 
Old 01-19-2013, 08:40 PM
 
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One thing I am thankful for.
Scoffers will not be in heaven . not a one ..
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