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Old 01-21-2013, 01:41 AM
 
Location: St. Pete, FL
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Same-sex marriage is completely legalized in Maryland and Washington, D.C. So, in my area it's no longer a legal issue.

Of course, it's still illegal in most of the U.S. Most probably, there's going to be a Supreme Court ruling legalizing it everywhere.
and rightfully so. I'm gay. Why should I not have any rights? It's ridiculous. Because of what...the bible? lol.

no person...average citizen or politician, should be able to tell me what i can or cannot do.

How is it REALLY affecting you? Are your taxes going to increase if I'm allowed to have hospital visits?

Are you not going to be able to sleep at night because I love someone of the same sex and I want equal opportunity tax breaks like straight people get?
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Old 01-21-2013, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Sitting beside Walden Pond
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no person...average citizen or politician, should be able to tell me what i can or cannot do.
Sorry, that is not how it works. In any society, your behavior is restricted.

If you don't like the rules of the society you live in, then either work to change those rules or move to a different society.
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Old 01-21-2013, 10:51 AM
 
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Little Green Footballs - Gallup Poll: 58% of Republicans Are Young Earth Creationists

It seems to me that if you're a bible-believer, you're more likely to be a Republican. Atheism seems to be more or a liberal point of view.
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Old 01-21-2013, 01:41 PM
 
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i dont really think my athiesm has influenced my political beliefs all that much tbh

i also dont see why one cannot be athiest and conservative
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Old 01-21-2013, 02:23 PM
 
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i dont really think my athiesm has influenced my political beliefs all that much tbh

i also dont see why one cannot be athiest and conservative
Sure, it's certainly possible, especially with regards to fiscal policy, but many of the core beliefs on conservatism are rooted in religion. Almost all the big social issues in the Republican platform are. There are definite inconsistencies between Atheism and conservative Republicans.
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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Sure, it's certainly possible, especially with regards to fiscal policy, but many of the core beliefs on conservatism are rooted in religion. Almost all the big social issues in the Republican platform are. There are definite inconsistencies between Atheism and conservative Republicans.

I would say that's true since the Bush 1 era and why many former Republicans (such as myself) have either turned to Libertarianism or become Independents. The Republican Party wasn't always like it is now with the high influence of the Religious Right. Fiscally speaking, for people such as myself, the Democratic Party is simply not an option.
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Texas
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How does a conservative Atheist reconcile these seemingly inconsistent values?
What does believing or not believing in god have to do with your political leanings?
It's completely irrelevant.
This is as illogical as saying that if you're gay, you should be liberal. It's two things that have NOTHING to do with each other.
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Old 01-21-2013, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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I see fellow Atheists here (like RebelYell) who also post on the politics forum. RebelYell is quite obviously a staunch conservative. I consider myself a pretty left-wing liberal (socially speaking anyway... I do have some conservative views when it comes to fiscal policy). Yet we both share a rejection of god.

I know Atheists come in all shapes, sizes, backgrounds and values, but doesn't it make sense that if you have conservative values, you are accepting of conservative philosophy which is often rooted in the bible? When it comes to gay rights, reproductive rights, blue laws, creationism being taught in schools, etc., it would seem to me that an Atheist would likely fall on the side of "liberal" since those who argue the right-wing perspective on those issues are primarily supported by "god's teachings" and not common sense or rational thought.

For me, my non-belief is often reinforced by my liberal views (and vice-serva) along with my strong political disagreements with the "religious right."

How does a conservative Atheist reconcile these seemingly inconsistent values?
Losing my religion helped me get rid of any opposition to gay marriage or abortion. I'm more of a "libertarian" politically but becoming an atheist has liberalized my general world view. I'm much more of a "live and let live" kind of guy.
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Old 01-21-2013, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Boone, NC
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What does believing or not believing in god have to do with your political leanings?
It's completely irrelevant.
This is as illogical as saying that if you're gay, you should be liberal. It's two things that have NOTHING to do with each other.
It's perfectly reasonable for an atheist to be a fiscal conservative. However, I simply can't understand those who support the bible-thumping of the overtly anti-women and anti-gay Republican party, especially after the tea party takeover. I don't see how social conservatism and atheism reconcile, and it seems to me that if fiscal issues were your concern you should support the Libertarian party and not support the Republican effort to kill the First Amendment.
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Old 01-21-2013, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Sitting beside Walden Pond
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However, I simply can't understand those who support the bible-thumping of the overtly anti-women and anti-gay Republican party, especially after the tea party takeover.
There is no need for you to understand them. No one cares what you do and do not understand.

The Republican party has a lot of followers, which is why they control the House of Representatives. Accept that fact and deal with it.
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