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Old 03-12-2013, 10:49 AM
 
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As it relates to politicians and politics, the point is not to convince them to change their minds about their religion. It will never happen. And they have the right to their stupid fantasies if they want them. The smart outcome to desire is simply to keep them from inserting their religious peccadilloes on our legislation.
So, it might make one person think.
That's reason enough.

Why let them get away with spewing hatred?
I think calling them out is one way to put them on notice.
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Old 03-13-2013, 12:26 AM
 
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Like preaching to the choir, it seems like a waste of time and effort to use billboards/messages that come off as looking like fringe vs. fringe, which probably don't even register with most people to begin with.

I'd imagine that a lot of folks would see those bb's and think "Politics...pffffttt..lame."..They might not even associate those bb's with atheism or take away any message at all.

Seems they would want to use more thought provoking messages.
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Old 05-27-2013, 01:49 PM
 
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Too bad atheists feel the need to leach on to the Democratic party. As a moderate Dem, I'm ashamed that they would associate themselves with my party. Find your own party. If you can find enough tools to go along?
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Old 05-27-2013, 02:00 PM
 
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Too bad atheists feel the need to leach on to the Democratic party. As a moderate Dem, I'm ashamed that they would associate themselves with my party. Find your own party. If you can find enough tools to go along?
Why be ashamed of them? Because they reject fairy tales and mythology and instead opt for reason and logic, atheists should be exalted upon high. Amen.
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Old 05-27-2013, 02:25 PM
 
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Why be ashamed of them? Because they reject fairy tales and mythology and instead opt for reason and logic, atheists should be exalted upon high. Amen.
A fairy tale is one the says people evolved from apes and the Big Bang happend just because it wanted to and people have no purpose in life and it all just happened because darwin says it did. Anyway, the Democratic party is a historically Christian party. Go latch onto some other irrelevant party.
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Old 05-27-2013, 03:11 PM
 
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A fairy tale is one the says people evolved from apes and the Big Bang happend just because it wanted to and people have no purpose in life and it all just happened because darwin says it did. Anyway, the Democratic party is a historically Christian party. Go latch onto some other irrelevant party.
Of course, evolution does NOT say this at all.

The Big Bang did not want anything. It's not sentient.
We did not evolve from apes, but apes and man evolved from a common ancestor.

The Democratic Party in the US was not a historically Christian party. For that matter neither was the Republican Party.

Democratic Party (political party, United States) -- Encyclopedia Britannica

None of the issues upon which the parties were founded had much to do with religion.
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Old 05-28-2013, 12:09 AM
 
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These billboard IMO are stupid and you are playing to their rules. Even the concept of wealthy televangelists will not make much of a difference. As the saying goes, you cannot fix stupid.

Give them the credit that their god exists but only in their brains. This is anyway the truth.

The way they act in public is hardly conducive to anything remotely humble and turning the other cheek. Since BO was elected, all it has done is brought these fundi racists out of the woodwork and reading their crapolla on here and FB, these are not high IQ types.

Deconversion is a personal matter and unlike the woos, there is nothing we have to offer for non belief. Sometimes the indoctrination and mass hysteria and mind games the church plays on them is just too powerful to let go of. They believe this stuff is real.

The mind is powerful in inventing stuff and in these tough times, many are still pretty hopeful for a return of their imaginary god while being thoroughly fleeced by their "leaders". The lines between religion and politics and entertainment in the US is very blurry. The politicians act like they need paparazzi, the actors try to be political and the religious do both.

The government has divided by using wedge issues. BO really did not have much to run on then lets it slip he is now for SSM and the fundies heads exploded. The RWNJ fell for this and for 6 months that was all the folk were talking about, legislation went that direction. The others are abortion and guns. Meanwhile Rome burns.

The way I see it, fanatical evangelism will die out. It is pretty hard not to find groups of people questioning the so called morality of the church in this day and age and folk will leave this madness. There are, as I suspect, the majority that self identify as theists but seldom, if ever attend church or read their bibles other than weddings and funerals. You will find the non vocal "theists" churches may well be doing what one would expect in charity etc. These folk could vote either way and are not likely to be moved by billboards. It is these types that generally have no issue concerning personal beliefs and being overtly vocal of your atheism tends to give them the same opinion of the crazy evangelical types.

If you really think about the number of states that have sanctioned SSM recently, the idea that the 2nd amendment is never gonna change, and that RvW still stands, the wedge issues have the US populace well and truly divided on non sequiturs;these are drawn on party lines too mostly.

The recent push of Atheists to raise huge amounts for that woman Wolf interviewed is targeted only at her family and IMO they should be helping everyone, not just atheists. How many other atheists were victims of that Tornado? What about their loss? Yes it was a noble gesture but broadcasting to the world we pretty much are doing exactly what the woos do, use tragedy to push an "agenda".

You see if they merely "look after their own" they are no different to the woos and simply plays into the us vs. them mentality that appears to predominate US culture these days.

If we claim to be smarter than the woos, it sure does not look like it from 5,000'.
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Old 05-28-2013, 12:39 AM
 
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Gingrich says: "How can I trust you with power if you don't pray?"

I say: "How can I trust you with power if you believe you must follow the dictates of one organized religion, to the exclusion of all others?"
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Old 05-28-2013, 12:50 AM
 
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The Big Bang did not want anything. It's not sentient.
A causeless Big Bang flies in the face of several scientific laws. A caused atheistic model may work (but it accepts a certain framework that cannot outright exclude religion if one wants it).

Conservation of mass - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thermodynamics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Newton's laws of motion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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First law of Motion: An object at rest remains at rest unless acted upon by a force. An object in motion remains in motion, and at a constant velocity, unless acted upon by a force.
No matter, no energy, nothing but a giant mass of superdensity. How did this Big Bang start? It was an object at rest, with nothing acting on it.

(Scientists always like to act like the burden of proof isn't on them, but... your laws, you owe the explanation)

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Second law of thermodynamics: Heat cannot spontaneously flow from a colder location to a hotter location.
Again, you have to have a distinct means to heat stuff up. I'm not 100% whether the Big Bang is a sort of massive fission, or heat explosion (there's also something called the Heat Death of the Universe), but basically heat disperses through the path of least resistance unless acted on by energy. Notice a pattern?

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Conservation of matter: Matter cannot be created or destroyed
A spontaneous event, like this, was a result of a very massive chemical reaction. It required force/energy to happen. What supplied the energy? Christians and basically any religion can come up with this answer, easy. Quick, quick, the clock is ticking. What supplied the energy?

Republicans aren't actually religious either, they just appeal to the (dumber) Bible-basher types.
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Old 05-28-2013, 01:12 AM
 
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Fringe vs fringe. I don't really care. Christians and other religious folks have their very vocal share of idiots and they need someone to shout back.
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