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Old 05-16-2013, 07:25 PM
 
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State of Georgia battles atheist over bibles at state parks.
State of Georgia battles atheist over Bibles at state parks - National Republican | Examiner.com

What's your thoughts about the issue?
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Old 05-16-2013, 08:08 PM
 
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I think it violates the principle of separation of church and state because the government is allowing a religious group to use public property to promote its beliefs. It's bigoted, too. I mean, somehow, I doubt that atheists, Muslims, or Buddhists would be allowed to place materials in the cabins.
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Old 05-17-2013, 06:24 AM
 
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That might be the second line of defence if this was pushed through - we have been there before with handing out Christian literature in Schools or holding public prayer sessions on Hawaii. The other religions and atheist too requested that the same right be extended to them and the Christians didn't like that and so the move to do public pushing of Christianity lapsed - until the next try.
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Old 05-17-2013, 07:16 AM
 
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The Georgia State Attorney General argued that it was not a violation of the first amendment because the Gideons, not the state were paying for the Bibles.

The proper tactics here should not be suing to have the Bibles removed, but suing if the state refused to place other donated literature. Show up with 500 copies of "The Book of Mormon" and request that Georgia place these next to the Gideon Bibles. Have someone else show up with 500 copies of the Koran and make the same request.

Then if it is refused you have yourself a legitimate lawsuit on discrimination grounds. Georgia would ultimately be forced to include all of the literature, or get rid of all of the literature. I do not see how they could prevail in a case by arguing that freely donated Bibles are okay but nothing else.
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:39 AM
 
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Yes. The first line I think would be that who is paying for them is immaterial. It is who owns the property on which the material is displayed. State parks are government owned are they not?

If it is a case of private hotels, then placing bibles would be a matter for the owner and not a constitutional question - unless it was threats and coercion should the owner refuse.
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:38 AM
 
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From your link:

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"These Bibles are donated by outside groups, not paid for by the state, and I do not believe that a Bible in a bedside table drawer constitutes a state establishment of religion. In fact, any group is free to donate literature."
Thus the case can be made that they would allow other books if donated to be placed beside the Bibles. The atheist group could test that by donating Korans or the Book of Mormon, etc. Of course, they might also donate pamphlets from the Why Won't God Heal Amputees website.
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:43 AM
 
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Yes, just because it isn't religious literature, that doesn't bar it from being placed. Christians of course have no cause to object they insist that atheism is a religion.
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Old 05-18-2013, 08:03 AM
 
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They should just hang up a sign - Cabins - BYOB
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Old 05-27-2013, 01:30 PM
 
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Nobody is forcing the devil atheists to read the Bible. They have a right not to be forced to believe but they cannot take away anybody's right to believe. If they dislike Christianity then they need to find a new country.
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Old 05-27-2013, 01:51 PM
 
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Nobody is forcing the devil atheists to read the Bible. They have a right not to be forced to believe but they cannot take away anybody's right to believe. If they dislike Christianity then they need to find a new country.
You contribution would be relevant if anyone was arguing that they objected to being forced to read the Bible. In that no one has made such an argument, the suspicion is that you have missed the main issue here. It is a question of whether or not the first amendment is being violated. Does the placement of the Bibles constitute a state endorsement of religious views?

And btw.....atheists do not believe in the devil either, there is no such thing as a devil atheist, that would be an oxymoron.
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