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Old 06-06-2013, 05:07 AM
 
Location: NJ
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My friend is an atheist...BUT he loves religions....
He says anything that keeps people from robbing him is GOOOD!!
Or raped by priests. Thank god for religion.
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Old 06-06-2013, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Because religion is still part of culture, whether we believe in it or not. Most Americans are religious and Christians, and I fully respect that. I do not believe in god still.
Slavery was part of our culture at one time, should we have promoted it just because it was part of our culture?

There is a difference between
"I hate religion," from post 1
"To promote and boost Christianity/Religion." from the "in god we trust" thread
"I myself do not like organized religion, but I am not against it either." from post 57

Generally if I "hate" something, I don't want it promoted.
If I "don't like" something I don't want it promoted.

So, the question is, If you hate religion, why do you want it promoted?
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Old 06-06-2013, 05:42 PM
 
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I find little to respect in the myths either. While some of his moral philosophy was useful and maybe even ahead of his time... the general story surrounding him is not all that respectable.

For example people weep at the thought of the tortures he underwent before his crucifixion. While I have no doubt they were beyond unpleasant.... they were actually rather mundane and tolerable compared to some of the tortures and horrors the more insidious human minds of our species have come up with and visited upon others. Some of which make the tortures visited upon the Nazarene look like a pleasant vacation.

He is also said to have "given" his life for our sins. God is said to have "given" us his only son. Where though? All I can see in the tales is that he traded an insignificantly short life as a human for one of eternal bliss and dominion. A pretty good trade up one might say. And as such god can not be said to have "given" us a son but rather to have "lent" us one for an insignificant period of time... and is now being rather coy about lending him to us again for his supposed second coming.

It is an insult to all of our intelligence... thankfully theirs much more than ours.... to describe any of this as a "sacrifice" or something we should be thankful for or in awe of. It is also an insult to all those of our species who HAVE actually given their lives for a cause, ideal, place or person without any such promises of resurrection or eternal bliss and dominion. The parent who throws themselves in front of a car to save a child.... or the political activist who dies in the pursuit of a political ideal.... both have sacrificed many times more than anything the Christ character could ever hope to be remembered for.
Masterfully said.
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Old 06-06-2013, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA
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Or raped by priests. Thank god for religion.
Ha! The fear of hell religion drilled into people for some reason skipped
over those priests, go figure.

Last edited by Miss Hepburn; 06-06-2013 at 06:16 PM.. Reason: spelling
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Old 06-06-2013, 07:56 PM
 
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Ha! The fear of hell religion drilled into people for some reason skipped
over those priests, go figure.
Because the priests, if anyone, know it's an empty threat.
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Old 06-07-2013, 04:26 AM
 
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Ok. I'll give you benefit of doubt. You are not a God -believer, but you do love Jesus as a moral and social teacher, yes?

I would say that I do not love or respect the Gospel Jesus any more than anyone else and the exhortations we find in the Gospels are no more to be taken on trust than those in any other book - fiction or non -fiction.

In fact those that suggest how to run our lives and society worked out rationally are of more value than those derived from a religion. Which if you don't believe in God, you don't believe is true, either, no?

'In God We Trust' should not be on bank cards. It should be removed from the currency as soon as possible and the 'Under God' stuff removed from the national mantras.
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Old 06-07-2013, 08:25 AM
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Location: Norwich, UK
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What do I think of Jesus....

He's a zombified carpenter. Surely worshipping the undead goes against most Christian principles? Not that it matters anyway as the whole thing is just a recycled version of ancient Sumerian stories.
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Old 06-07-2013, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA
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...the exhortations we find in the Gospels are no more to be taken
on trust than those in any other book - fiction or non -fiction.
Agreed.
I have, however, feeling he was a teacher/guru with much insight and wisdom, decided
to practice what he advised and found they all worked!!!
I am happy, content and everything flows sweetly now...for years.
Any master from any country Ramana Maharshi, Yogananda, Hafiz have said similar things...
I personally trust them, have practiced some guidance and found they worked also!
Yay!
I was not a content person before, btw.

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Old 06-07-2013, 04:45 PM
 
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I'm happy that you are now content. I feel that even my view that the Jesus of the Gospels never existed will not materially affect any useful message that you derive from those pages.
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Old 06-07-2013, 11:27 PM
 
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It pains me to no end, that there isn't even any conclusive evidence that Jesus ever existed. This, on top, of a make-believe sky wizard, substantiated only by a make-believe storybook? Are you f*cking kidding me? All the bloodshed, the suffering, the torture, the wars, the holding back of advancement for millennia, the wasted lives and resources for something that isn't at all based in any kind of reality....
At least give us a man named Jesus Christ who, as delusional as he would have been, thought he was the son of god? ...No? ....Ughhhhh.....The wastefulness of it all, the capriciousness of it all!
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