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Old 02-21-2016, 07:00 PM
 
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So you see no distinction between affirming a belief in the earth, and affirming a belief in a deity?

I do.
Yes, I see a difference, but it doesn't matter. GS says that those words are ok.
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Old 02-21-2016, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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GS says that those words are ok.
My objection is that they even have such a list.
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Old 02-21-2016, 09:17 PM
 
Location: NW NJ & SE Oahu
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Back in the late '50s we Cub Scouts used to customize a certain part of the solemn pledge:

"I promise to do my best,
to do my duty on God and my country,
to help other people, and
to obey the Law of the Pack."
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Old 02-22-2016, 07:08 AM
 
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My objection is that they even have such a list.
They don't have a list - parents came up with them to keep the rhythm of the promise going. What is your actual problem anyway. GS says that girls can use anything they wish in place of God. Parents decide.
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Old 02-22-2016, 08:17 AM
 
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Entertaining thread.
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Old 02-22-2016, 10:26 AM
 
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They don't have a list - parents came up with them to keep the rhythm of the promise going. What is your actual problem anyway. GS says that girls can use anything they wish in place of God. Parents decide.
My actual problem is that you are championing a system which makes god the default position and all others become tolerated exceptions. The non believers are supposed to be happy with being tolerated.

True equality of belief would be manifest in a system where the question never arises.
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Old 02-22-2016, 01:49 PM
 
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My actual problem is that you are championing a system which makes god the default position and all others become tolerated exceptions. The non believers are supposed to be happy with being tolerated.

True equality of belief would be manifest in a system where the question never arises.
Perhaps, but it takes time for organizations to change.

You might look to the history of Girl Scouts in the USA

Juliette Gordon Low - Girl Scouts

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In 1912, Juliette Gordon Low (18601927) founded Girl Scouts of the USA, an organization that today serves millions of girl members and alumnae, and reflects the arc of her remarkable life.

An ardent believer in the potential of all girls and the importance of fostering their individual growth, character, and self-sufficiency, Juliette is credited with establishing and nurturing a global movement that has changed the world.
It has always been a secular organization, but it has always also recognized the religious faith of its members. It is evolving in a more secular direction, but the organization is only 104 years old.
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Old 02-22-2016, 02:51 PM
 
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Huh, she was a girl guide first in 1911 Scotland, then brought the idea to Savannah, Georgia a year later.
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Old 02-22-2016, 03:12 PM
 
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Huh, she was a girl guide first in 1911 Scotland, then brought the idea to Savannah, Georgia a year later.
Girl Scouts, however, as in US Girl Scouts only started in 1912.
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Old 02-22-2016, 09:48 PM
 
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I think what would be most appropriate right about now would be for the Girl Guides, the Girl Scouts and the Campfire Girls to join forces and burn that wacky archbishop at the stake.
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