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Old 06-23-2013, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Rivendell
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In God We Trust is the official US motto... She did not know that? It's visible on the currency.
What does this have to do with the topic?
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Old 06-23-2013, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Why the need for reprimand or training when by her own admission she stated she had spiritual/religious beliefs that imposed on her a no bearing of arms? All the DHS agent did was ask for her to provide documentation for her said beliefs. DHS ( back in the day - INS) does have the right to ask for verification of all claims made and can deny based on the lack of verification.
Because to bring it up at all means that she's not clear on requirements.
Pretty simple.
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Old 06-23-2013, 10:09 PM
 
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In God We Trust is the official US motto... She did not know that? It's visible on the currency.
Perhaps she knew a bit about the first amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Then prove there's some god thing.
BTW, the god junk was added to money in 1954 because of lobbying by religious people.
Let's tax the church or remove the wording.
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Old 06-24-2013, 02:55 AM
 
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You might try re-reading the thread and take notes that I wasn't the one making claims that she was to be forced to join a church as many have claimed she was to do. I wasn't the one twisting statements and fact to fit some biased argument.


This wasn't about right and wrong. The issue, there really wasn't one to begin with, was that she felt she was being denied something based on her beliefs - atheism. Once she clarified her beliefs, DHS authorized the paperwork. DHS does have the authority to request documentation and to deny change of status for any reason they deem so whether you like it or not.
Yes, I think you are right in the end. It was more a mistake or misunderstanding than an attempt to foce conversion to a church. You are probably right to say that too much was made out of it.
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Old 06-24-2013, 03:11 AM
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Location: Georgia
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There's a pyramid on a one dollar bill, too, but I don't see anyone trying to interpret that as a requirement. Why not require all new citizens pledge to respect pyramid power?
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Old 06-24-2013, 03:52 AM
 
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There's a pyramid on a one dollar bill, too, but I don't see anyone trying to interpret that as a requirement. Why not require all new citizens pledge to respect pyramid power?
In fact a symbol like that can be variously interpreted, but if it was 'In freemasonry we trust' I imagine something would have been done about it long ago.
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Old 06-24-2013, 03:57 AM
 
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UPDATE 6/20 -- Margaret Doughty received notice on Thursday that her application for citizenship had been approved.
Good. I'm not thrilled about another atheist entering our society, but we have freedom of religion guaranteed by the Constitution.
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Old 06-24-2013, 04:14 AM
 
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I wouldn't worry about atheist immigration. It is home grown atheism on the rise you should be more concerned about.
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Old 06-24-2013, 04:20 AM
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And really it isn't even Atheism that holds the biggest risk to traditional religion, but rather what Charles Francis Potter termed as religious humanism.

Even Carl Sagan foresaw such a thing: "In some respect, science has far surpassed religion in delivering awe. How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded: 'This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant. God must be even greater than we dreamed. .... A religion ... that stressed the magnificence of the Universe as revealed by modern science might be able to draw forth reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by the conventional faiths. Sooner or later, such a religion will emerge."

When people, already so inclined to turn away from hypocritical and otherwise corrupted legacy religions, realize that the alternative need not be godlessness, it will be very interesting to see their reaction.
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Old 06-24-2013, 04:24 AM
 
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You are correct. Secular Humanism is the fastest growing threat to Christianity.
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