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Old 04-18-2018, 09:51 AM
 
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Glad to see you still seem to be getting along. I don't know anything of Willensdorf Venus or Myanmar democratic reform, but I understand the gist of what you're saying to be you're getting along well :P
Yes, yes.. noting serious apart from the drooling and tendency to go into town and stand wondering what i went there fore. And sudden bursts of profligacy, like that splendid flight on a Thai A380 2016 made me send for a plastic kit and Thai airline decals....
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Old 04-19-2018, 10:53 AM
 
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TRANSPONDER, what was your favorite things to do in Indonesia? Do you speak Indonesian? If not, how was the language barrier?

I've got a long time friend who's in Indonesia and I'd love to go there.
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Old 04-19-2018, 11:54 AM
 
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TRANSPONDER, what was your favorite things to do in Indonesia? Do you speak Indonesian? If not, how was the language barrier?

I've got a long time friend who's in Indonesia and I'd love to go there.
Well, It was Bali (if you find my Blog I have a couple of entries) but I visited Indonesia in the 80's and even then I found the Religion a pain in the butt with the curator of the Indonesia cultural park trying to lecture me of the teachings of the Quran, my pen friend whom I visited bringing her boyfriend who dragged us around trying to find a halal soft drinks stall, and a hundred mosques all bawling the odds at 4 in the morning. But aside that I liked it - especially Jogya where (at least then) the Musac was classic Gamelan. You heard it everywhere. And I of course Did the museums, palaces, Gamelan and dance performances.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2937xfI_kKI

(simple and direct - the court gamelan is Sloowww and takes a while to build up speed and complexity, but - like W Classical - the results are several heavenly levels up (2)

And I did attend Indonesian classes and learned a lot, and it would have come together in my head as fluency, but there was no occasion to practice it, and my attentions got diverted to "Socialist Union of Burma" where i had been invited by a pen pal, whose postcards of Pagan and so on had made me crazy to visit, even through the Visa allowed only a shot time (was it really a day and a half?) and the travel restrictions were really restrictive (1) the hospitality and friendliness
of the people (especially the very gorgeous girls) bowled me over.

I never learned Burmese either, though I tried.

(1) on the first visit to Pagan (a night trip sitting on an upturned bucket in the back of a pick up-I swear it's true we got only half -way to a town in the 'Brown' area (off limits to tourists) and I was quizzed by the town council, more because they were curious. You hardly ever got tourists then, and only later on when the visa was extended to a week.

(2) not too sure about sound quality, but it gets into the layers of extra music and the singers and drummers join in and the effect is splendid. Pity it cuts just as the singers toss in some astonishing unexpected notes. Love to know how the music went on. But you get the idea of Kraton music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUfhZVeAtJ8

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Old 04-19-2018, 05:56 PM
 
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p.s you asked about the language barrier. Having a bitof Indonesian helped when backpacking solo off the beaten track in We Java, that's nos doubt, but if you are visiting a friend, that should be a problem, or if you have cash for hotel and hotel taxi (which is deplored by tour purists as insulated from the people, but has its' points) it isn't a problem at all

And if Imay rave on about Burma,in 1980 I arrived Mingladon airport to be met by penfriend and her college pals and this was what i saw - and there were about eight of them.

https://www.gomyanmartours.com/wp-co...-of-Longyi.jpg
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Old 04-24-2018, 12:30 PM
 
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Default can Sabine save Top Gear?

I'm taking advantage of 'anything' here, but after Top Gear 'ended' and the old dogs went to do more of it on Amazon, Beeb tried to keep it going, and it was as dire as the attempts to imitate it elsewhere. It was just a dull show for car enthusiasts.

Sabine Schmitz first burst onto Top Gear showing Jeremy how to drive. When he was delighted at how well he'd done she retorted 'I do that time in a van". In another episode, she tried, and if she didn't quite, she overtook everything on the Nurburg ring - in a Ford transit.

I thought then that, when Jeremy had her on the show and suggested that she could replace Hammond, I thought..."Yeah...." Not Hammond, no, but instead of having the Stig reborn in Bethlehem, with the three bringing gifts of Gold, Frankincense and a Playstation (Nobody in Damascus seemed to know what Myrrh was) just get Sabine as the driver. Mind, I gather she had her own show in Germany.

Yes, she got the Top Gear award for "Our favourite German".

So when the Telegraph noted that she was a presenter on the show and hoped that this would finally send the show, unlamented, down the tube, I thought: "Finally the show got it right". N.B, folks, if you want accurate information and sound ideas, read the Telegraph... then reverse it all in your head.

And the Mirror, (read by Alf Garnett who knows only one thing about Germans - they lost the last war) sneered at Clarkson "fawning" over her appointment, I thought that was more to the Credit of Clarkson who knows a good 'un when he sees it, than to that of the Mirror.

So I watched a you tube clip of one of the desperately dull presenters saying they were going to do a lap, and watched as he got into the car - And Sabine was the tame racing driver.

Some say that she thinks Brexit is a kind of Muesli. And that she thinks a sexist has an obsession with the number 6. All I know is that she drove like the clappers and more importantly, she drove the show. And By God, it all came to life. Even HE did. That's what she can do - but not copy Jeremy but do what he did, but her own way, and the other two are her foils.

And it could...finally...give the show a life after Clarkson.

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Old 04-27-2018, 01:19 PM
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It's funny the Willendorf Venus popped up here, I just downloaded a crochet pattern to make myself one...
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Old 04-27-2018, 08:47 PM
 
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It's funny the Willendorf Venus popped up here, I just downloaded a crochet pattern to make myself one...
It might fit some of the women we get round here. Including that very distinctive knitted woollen cap that you pull down over the eyes?
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Old 05-01-2018, 05:20 AM
 
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Default godammit



There was I posting like like a madman, and I was told 'Invalid thread'!

Well, I ain't going to let all that work go to waste, so here it is, while I still have the Cut'n'paste in my mouse (1) and make of it what you like.

That's a nice post. There is a dirty little secret in atheism which I will reveal to you.. (in fact there are many dirty little secrets in atheism, but I'm going to tell you this one.. because I liked that you posted in Blue.....atheists sometimes present tactical arguments that they know aren't really that good.

For example, while saying that God is "It" rather than "He" (since to hang balls and a beard on the Cosmic Mind is absurdly anthropomorphic) to say 'for all we know, Gods rather than a god, doesn't make so much sense. You can talk of a race of gods, in which case, just one is quite absurd. But then you are really talking of a race of aliens with superpowers, like the Greek, Hindo or Sumerian gods.

And they and we know it too, and all those pantheons tended towards One of the being the Big Cosmic It and all the others just a race of super -aliens. Brahma, Krishna, Adi -Buddha and of course Yahweh all got elevated to the cosmic creator which is a quite different concept from a string of Hindu or Chinese gods that you have to leave saucers of milk out for.

Atheists really do know that we are are talking about a huge invisible sexless (give or take a shower of gold, divine descendent or virgin birth or two) cosmic mind that suddenly decided that a Creation would look nice in it's cosmos, like a car park attendant thinking that a tup of flowers would brighten up the asphalt a bit.

Now, since you are such a fun poster, I'll tell you a couple of dirty little theist apologetic secrets that you may not have been told.

Given that there is more probably an invisible It that Made everything (aside materialist hypotheses), it is no guarantee that the mobile toys it created to run around on the earth for it's entertainment are going to get another life after the batteries run out, no matter how much they might wish for it, nor that if there was, it would be reserved only for a select group of warm blooded critters that went to a particular rat -hole once a week and squeaked:
"Oh god that I believe in,
you are so big and marvellous,
please don't stomp on me
because I don't want you to,
and here is some money."

Rather than afterlife being for all of them, as universally as birth and death.

What this amounts to is that "Which God" is a very valid question and the leap of faith from some sorta -god to a specific Top God, Holy Book, ritual language and correct shape holy thunderbox is by no means to be taken for granted as religious believers like to think.

The other dirty little secret is that divine punishment in itself doesn't actually make a lot of sense, not in any sense other than one tribal group dearly wishing to see a rival tribal group being hit by a meteorite or tortured to death as they banquet (the medieval kings and queens didn't need television for their entertainment. just have an Enemy or two disembowelled in between the pottage and the suckling -pig.
) and if they an't do it in this life, fantasise about a a huge invisible copy of yourself (which is what God is) doing all in a next world tailor made to suit yourself.


(1) there was no way that I could ever have imagined myself saying something like that when i was a teenager.
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Old 05-21-2018, 10:03 PM
 
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I’ve become an occasional lurker and think of this group with fondness, even though I’m not posting these days. This thread is one I still read all of, in part because it touches on the community aspect of our group. Those of you who do post, please keep it up.

My response to the discussion about reaching people who only lurk, some of whom aren’t even members, is that our discussions are important to some of them. I’ve gotten a few very appreciative anonymous rep comments.
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Old 05-22-2018, 12:53 AM
 
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Yes. I sirta think of this as a kinds of 'non -debate friendhip' thread for atheists.
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