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Old 07-07-2013, 10:44 PM
 
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Judaism... What's your thought? Particularly Orthodox Judaism.

 
Old 07-08-2013, 01:59 AM
 
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I have always felt a sort of affinity with Judaism, or Jewish people, at least. But I really can't be doing with all that ritual stuff, really, not. And investing Faith in the OT and the daft stories of the Talmud, well, I'd almost prefer the Gospels.
 
Old 07-08-2013, 06:31 AM
 
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Orthodox Judaism, particularly the most strident sects, is in the same category in my mind as fundamentalist Christianity or any other fundamentalist ideology.

There was a thread somewhere here not long ago, probably in the Religion forum, where the OP was a woman who, because her husband was moving due to a new job, had moved into or next to one of the towns in SE corner of New York state, west of New York City, where the population is nearly 100% fundamentalist Jewish, probably Kiryas Joel, a Haredi community. She apparently had no clue about them and made the mistake of trying to trade with their shops while wearing what they consider immodest clothing, probably something that wouldn't raise an eyebrow in mixed company. They treated her rudely and basically had the goal of making her so uncomfortable as to leave town and hopefully not return.

This seems even more strident to me than the Christian fundamentalists who want women to wear ankle length skirts in drab colors. Even when Christians form cultural ghettoes, like the old order Amish, at least they interact with the outside world in a generally respectful, empathetic and even kindly manner. Kiryas Joel and New Square and such like seem quite antagonistic to their host society and have a history of dealing with it dishonestly, taking from the system more than they give. For example, their belief in having large families, as many children as their women can crank out, produces low average income and dependence on food stamps and such despite that their men often work in fairly lucrative fields such as software development. And there have been scandals about fraudulently obtaining government grants / loans for some of their projects. Google it if interested.

As to Judaism generally I have no particular issue, it is as much a cultural as a religious thing. At the other end of the spectrum, near as I can tell liberal Jews seem to be agnostic theists at best, similar to Unitarians in how they approach their belief system and position themselves within it.

On balance I see Judaism about the same as I see any form of theism, no better and no worse, with its own interesting distinctives.
 
Old 07-08-2013, 04:05 PM
 
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Orthodox Judaism, particularly the most strident sects, is in the same category in my mind as fundamentalist Christianity or any other fundamentalist ideology.
I agree. I have never met an Orthodox Jew, but on the Judaism forum I have been having an off-and-on discussion with a person who claims to be one.

As a result of these discussions and discussions I have had with other Jews in that forum, I have lost a lot of respect for Judaism.

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Old 07-08-2013, 05:26 PM
 
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I agree. I have never met an Orthodox Jew, but on the Judaism forum I have been having an off-and-on discussion with a person who claims to be one.

As a result of these discussions and discussions I have had with other Jews in that forum, I have lost a lot of respect for Judaism.
Never met an Orthodox Jew?

NY metro has nearly 1 million of them
 
Old 07-08-2013, 05:40 PM
 
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Never met an Orthodox Jew?
Yep.

I once saw a guy wearing a beanie at work. Did that mean he was Orthodox?

In any event, I didn't talk to him.
 
Old 07-08-2013, 06:29 PM
 
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Yep.

I once saw a guy wearing a beanie at work. Did that mean he was Orthodox?

In any event, I didn't talk to him.
Orthodox Jews :






 
Old 07-08-2013, 06:42 PM
 
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Orthodox Jews :
And your point is?
 
Old 07-08-2013, 07:27 PM
 
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I think Orthodox Judaism is no better or worse than any other mainstream religion. Like many religions, there is a huge range of beliefs within the Orthodox community, from very modern to very conservative. The pictures above look like maybe they are of the more conservative members.

Ultra-orthodox Judaism, like any fundamentalist religion, is potentially socially, culturally and emotionally damaging to its followers because it mandates that they cut themselves off from mainstream culture and ideas. So that puts it up there with Fundamentalist LDS sects.
 
Old 07-09-2013, 09:35 AM
 
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Orthodox Judaism is the branch is Judaism for the most part have members having rabbis do all the thinking for them, reducing themselves to the level of drones
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