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Old 07-09-2013, 11:12 PM
 
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My hindu college professor said that nobody basically believes in that religion.. It is more for culture and cultural reason. Most Hindus know a little about their religion.

I don't like Hinduism because it is Pagan.... Cow god, elephant, 6 hand god etc. they must be kidding
Yup, talking snakes, and donkeys, people rising from the dead and living over 900 years, walking on water, etc etc., makes so much more sense.

 
Old 07-10-2013, 12:23 AM
 
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Same as any other art. Some I like, some I don't. I've visited many cathedrals and have thought all of them were beautiful. The choirs that sing in them, as well.

Your specific example? I think, "Wow, Michelangelo was a really, really talented sculptor". He did that at age 24.

People don't feel guilty over something they don't believe to be true.

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Old 07-10-2013, 12:41 AM
 
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Depends on where I see it. As art it can be beautiful. When it's a plastic crucifix over the chip warming tray at the local taqueria it's good for a laugh and a "wtf...".

They are good chips though.
 
Old 07-10-2013, 01:10 AM
 
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Most Hindus know a little about their religion.
You would be amazed at how many Christians do not either. Many not only do not own a bible for example.... but have never even read or, in many cases, even SEEN one.
 
Old 07-10-2013, 01:21 AM
 
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One can be an atheist and appreciate the sentiments or aesthetics underlying religious art. I appreciate it for its technical loveliness and the skill of craftsmanship. I can even appreciate the story. But the superstition pervading the entire thing really doesn't do anything for me. It doesn't make me think about "God." I view it the same way I would the Venus de Milo or Native American kachina dolls as far as religion is concerned.
These are my views exactly. Paintings of Christ and statues of Mary are the same to me as paintings of Zeus and statues of Buddha.
 
Old 07-10-2013, 02:34 AM
 
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....When you see Jesus image, a crucifix/cross, watch Christian movies (particularly Passion of the Christ), went to cathedrals and saw all those sad statues and images such as when Virgin Mary holds Christ' body when he died, etc. don't you feel sad and make you think that you deny him and Christianity? What's your reaction? Don't you feel guilty? Jesus died for our sins, and yet you refuse to believe in him. You know what I mean.

I myself converted when I watched passion of the Christ and read the sermon on the mount.

Please share your thoughts. I'm not here to change your mind, but curious about your thought.

This statue itself makes me think, feel sad and loving.
My first thought is that sentimentality and emotionalism are the very worst motivations for conversion to any ideology religious or political. It leaves you prey to becoming a "drama queen" rather than a believer, and it puts you in the position of leaving your brains at the door and never understanding the religious or political ideology. It is like the gushing loves affairs that young adolescents have.

As for the images, having grown up in a family environment where religious images were commonplace, I do not find them unusual. In fact, to this day they remain a part of my family and cultural "furniture," so to speak.

Some Christian images are gory and ghastly, yes; but most of these were created in ages long gone by when the entire attitude toward life was different. In addition to which, one needs only to look at the Hindu religion to see frightening imagery, or Tantric Buddhism.

Being used from an early age to bleeding Jesus figures, I am not shocked nor at this point religiously moved by them. And some of the early ones are rather repugnant. But on the other hand, it made it much easier for me in college courses and in my post-college life to approach the startling imagery of other religions with more curiosity than distaste.

At this point, I see some Christian imagery in terms of "art," and much of what you find in modern Christian circumstances as sentimental kitsch.

I would say that for a realistic balanced presentation of life, it is actually some of those exotic, and seeming bizarre, Hindu images that make the most sense. The symbolism involved in the familiar classic, and beloved, Siva Nataraja image points to both the good and the ill in life, and the alternation and balance of these qualities. Some other Hindu images do the same, but in sometimes very casually violent or sexual toned ways. Of course, as with Christian images, you have to know that beyond the superficial emotional impact it has it is trying to represent and convey more subtle things. I guess I am saying that it is a matter of "reading" the images, and not just reacting to them.

For those who are interested, there is this link. It is from a commercial site, but it has one of the clearest and largest images. I am not a representative of the site and have no interest in their products.
Nataraja Dancing Painting by Murali - Nataraja Dancing Fine Art Prints and Posters for Sale
 
Old 07-10-2013, 02:46 AM
 
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...I don't like Hinduism because it is Pagan.... Cow god, elephant, 6 hand god etc. they must be kidding
Heh heh...You are venturing on dangerous ground here.

Virgins having babies? Pigs possessed of demons? Gods and demi-gods with their hearts on the outside and emitting flames? Jesus flying to the top of the temple? A dove impregnating a human female? A talking jackass (animal variety)?...........and on it goes.
 
Old 07-10-2013, 02:50 AM
 
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Yes. The thing about Hindu images is that they are not to be taken literally but are metaphorically true (as the Christians say of the bits of the Bible that none but the utterly deluded would believe were literally true).

Nobody really believes that gods prance about balancing a deer on one finger and an abalone shell on the other. They are symbolic representations of the attributes of the various gods.

In that respect, the paintings showing Jesus with open -heart surgery are no more or less believable than Hanuman exhibiting his blood -pump as an expression of devotion to Rama.
 
Old 07-10-2013, 06:44 AM
 
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Heh heh...You are venturing on dangerous ground here.

Virgins having babies? Pigs possessed of demons? Gods and demi-gods with their hearts on the outside and emitting flames? Jesus flying to the top of the temple? A dove impregnating a human female? A talking jackass (animal variety)?...........and on it goes.
Those are miracles from God. Use NT, not Jewish bible.
 
Old 07-10-2013, 06:46 AM
 
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When you see Jesus image, a crucifix/cross, watch Christian movies (particularly Passion of the Christ), went to cathedrals and saw all those sad statues and images such as when Virgin Mary holds Christ' body when he died, etc. don't you feel sad and make you think that you deny him and Christianity? What's your reaction? Don't you feel guilty? Jesus died for our sins, and yet you refuse to believe in him.
I don't even understand your question, sorry. You might as well ask if I feel guilty for being a capitalist when I see a picture of Karl Marx.

Some unbelievers do feel guilty, but they are the same ones who felt guilty and unworthy when they were in the faith anyway. If one is prone to guilt and shame because of how they were raised and socialized, Christianity is no help for that as they are the ones who just keep going back to the altar again and again to "make sure" they are saved. Matter of fact, their vulnerability is what opens them up to Christianity's bogus claims to get rid of guilt.

And by the way: no one "refuses" or "chooses" to believe. Belief is a response to known facts. Once the facts are known and understood, (un)belief just happens. You don't turn it on and off like a spigot. Can you make yourself believe in invisible dancing pink elephants simply because there is no way to disprove their existence?

I have met atheists who are tormented by their inability to will themselves to believe. They had no desire to leave the faith, they simply could no longer live a lie. (It's a bit like gay people who would rather not be gay and try to act straight). While I personally am not bothered by my unbelief, nor after a short while did I miss the belonging and other trappings of faith I had long been accustomed to, I had no particular desire to leave the faith either, it would have been the path of least resistance. And the social cost to me was lower than for most, as my parents had already died and my surviving brothers live far away. But for many unbelievers, they pay a terrible price of ostracism from their family and the church, which may well be the only support system they've ever known. Given that, trust me, they didn't choose not to believe and they are not being obstinate.

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