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View Poll Results: What type of non-believer are you?
Intellectual Atheist/Agnostics (IAA) 27 52.94%
Activist Atheist/Agnostics (AAA) 3 5.88%
Non-theists 10 19.61%
Seeker Agnostics (SA) 3 5.88%
Ritual Atheist/Agnostics (RAA) 2 3.92%
Antitheists 6 11.76%
Voters: 51. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-15-2013, 09:18 AM
 
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Researchers at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga report that atheists are just as heterogenous as theists.

Many previous religious surveys placed people without religious beliefs into a catch-all category known as the "religious nones," but that oversimplifies the wide spectrum of opinions that fall into that group. The report identified six different groups of religious non-believers: Intellectual Atheist/Agnostics (IAA), Activist Atheist/Agnostics (AAA), Seeker Agnostics (SA), Antitheists, Non-theists and Ritual Atheist/Agnostics (RAA).

Intellectual Atheist/Agnostic (IAA)
The first and most frequently discussed type is what could be termed The Intellectual Atheist/Agnostic or IAA. IAA typology includes individuals who proactively seek to educate themselves through intellectual association, and proactively acquire knowledge on various topics relating to ontology (the search for Truth) and non-belief. They enjoy dialectic enterprises such as healthy democratic debate and discussions, and are intrinsically motivated to do so.

Activist (AAA)
These individuals are termed the Activist Atheist/Agnostic. Individuals in the AAA typology are not content with the placidity of simply holding a non-belief position; they seek to be both vocal and proactive regarding current issues in the atheist and/or agnostic socio-political sphere. This sphere can include such egalitarian issues, but is not limited to: concerns of humanism, feminism, Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgendered (LGBT) issues, social or political concerns, human rights themes, environmental concerns, animal rights, and controversies such as the separation of church and state.

Seeker-Agnostic (SA)
Seeker-Agnostic typology consists of individuals attuned to the metaphysical possibilities precluding metaphysical existence, or at least recognizes the philosophical difficulties and complexities in making personal affirmations regarding ideological beliefs. They may call themselves agnostic or agnostic-atheist, as the SA simply cannot be sure of the existence of God or the divine. They keep an open mind in relation to the debate between the religious, spiritual, and antitheist elements within society.

Anti-Theist
While the Anti-Theists may be considered atheist or in some cases labeled as “new atheists,” the Anti-Theist is diametrically opposed to religious ideology. As such, the assertive Anti-Theist both proactively and aggressively asserts their views towards others when appropriate, seeking to educate the theists in the passé nature of belief and theology. In other words, antitheists view religion as ignorance and see any individual or institution associated with it as backward and socially detrimental.

Non-Theist
For the Non-Theists, the alignment of oneself with religion, or conversely an epistemological position against religion, can appear quite unconventional from their perspective. However, a few terms may best capture the sentiments of the Non-Theist. One is apathetic, while another may be disinterested. The Non-Theist is non-active in terms of involving themselves in social or intellectual pursuits having to do with religion or anti-religion. A Non-Theist simply does not concern him or herself with religion.

Ritual Atheist/Agnostic (RAA)
This exploration termed this type The Ritual Atheist/Agnostic or RAA. The RAA holds no belief in God or the divine, or they tend to believe it is unlikely that there is an afterlife with God or the divine. They are open about their lack of belief and may educate themselves on the various aspects of belief by others. One of the defining characteristics regarding Ritual Atheists/Agnostics is that they may find utility in the teachings of some religious traditions. They see these as more or less philosophical teachings of how to live life and achieve happiness than a path to transcendental liberation. Ritual Atheist/Agnostics find utility in tradition and ritual. For example, these individuals may participate in specific rituals, ceremonies, musical opportunities, meditation, yoga classes, or holiday traditions.

Atheist Study Reveals That Non-Believers Are Just As Varied As People Of Faith
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Old 07-15-2013, 09:32 AM
 
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Sorry. There is only one kind of atheist: the kind who does not believe in a god.

True, there are those who are militant and those who are not, but that is more to do with the person or their circumstances than with the sort of atheism they have.

Atheism is not having a god -belief. That is all it is. Anything else is to do with the individual.

I don't deny that the researches are finding out some interesting thisng about atheists, but this should never be interpreted as some kind of denominations within the church of Athe.

I sadly suspect that the researchers are falling into the stamp -collectors' fallacy.

'What kind of stamp -collector are you?'

The kind who watches sport?

The kind who hates sport?

The kind who can whistle Dixie?

The kind who never has anchovy on their Pizza?

The kind who would never drive a non -insured car?

The kind who would willingly change the kids' nappies?

None of that is to do with stamp collecting and research of that kind would be wrongheaded and provide misinformation about stamp collectors (who do in fact fall into denominations - atheists don't)
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Old 07-15-2013, 11:09 AM
 
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Researchers at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga report that atheists are just as heterogenous as theists.

Many previous religious surveys placed people without religious beliefs into a catch-all category known as the "religious nones," but that oversimplifies the wide spectrum of opinions that fall into that group. The report identified six different groups of religious non-believers: Intellectual Atheist/Agnostics (IAA), Activist Atheist/Agnostics (AAA), Seeker Agnostics (SA), Antitheists, Non-theists and Ritual Atheist/Agnostics (RAA).

Intellectual Atheist/Agnostic (IAA)
The first and most frequently discussed type is what could be termed The Intellectual Atheist/Agnostic or IAA. IAA typology includes individuals who proactively seek to educate themselves through intellectual association, and proactively acquire knowledge on various topics relating to ontology (the search for Truth) and non-belief. They enjoy dialectic enterprises such as healthy democratic debate and discussions, and are intrinsically motivated to do so.

Activist (AAA)
These individuals are termed the Activist Atheist/Agnostic. Individuals in the AAA typology are not content with the placidity of simply holding a non-belief position; they seek to be both vocal and proactive regarding current issues in the atheist and/or agnostic socio-political sphere. This sphere can include such egalitarian issues, but is not limited to: concerns of humanism, feminism, Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgendered (LGBT) issues, social or political concerns, human rights themes, environmental concerns, animal rights, and controversies such as the separation of church and state.

Seeker-Agnostic (SA)
Seeker-Agnostic typology consists of individuals attuned to the metaphysical possibilities precluding metaphysical existence, or at least recognizes the philosophical difficulties and complexities in making personal affirmations regarding ideological beliefs. They may call themselves agnostic or agnostic-atheist, as the SA simply cannot be sure of the existence of God or the divine. They keep an open mind in relation to the debate between the religious, spiritual, and antitheist elements within society.

Anti-Theist
While the Anti-Theists may be considered atheist or in some cases labeled as “new atheists,” the Anti-Theist is diametrically opposed to religious ideology. As such, the assertive Anti-Theist both proactively and aggressively asserts their views towards others when appropriate, seeking to educate the theists in the passé nature of belief and theology. In other words, antitheists view religion as ignorance and see any individual or institution associated with it as backward and socially detrimental.

Non-Theist
For the Non-Theists, the alignment of oneself with religion, or conversely an epistemological position against religion, can appear quite unconventional from their perspective. However, a few terms may best capture the sentiments of the Non-Theist. One is apathetic, while another may be disinterested. The Non-Theist is non-active in terms of involving themselves in social or intellectual pursuits having to do with religion or anti-religion. A Non-Theist simply does not concern him or herself with religion.

Ritual Atheist/Agnostic (RAA)
This exploration termed this type The Ritual Atheist/Agnostic or RAA. The RAA holds no belief in God or the divine, or they tend to believe it is unlikely that there is an afterlife with God or the divine. They are open about their lack of belief and may educate themselves on the various aspects of belief by others. One of the defining characteristics regarding Ritual Atheists/Agnostics is that they may find utility in the teachings of some religious traditions. They see these as more or less philosophical teachings of how to live life and achieve happiness than a path to transcendental liberation. Ritual Atheist/Agnostics find utility in tradition and ritual. For example, these individuals may participate in specific rituals, ceremonies, musical opportunities, meditation, yoga classes, or holiday traditions.

Atheist Study Reveals That Non-Believers Are Just As Varied As People Of Faith

I agree that atheist covers wide variety of people, but I dislike their categories. I would end up being an IAA/AAA/Antitheist with a pinch of RAA. It just is not a useful set of identifiers...

-NoCapo
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Old 07-15-2013, 12:14 PM
 
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NoCapo and AREQUIPA, you are right. This was someone's PHD thesis. I am really not sure why every major newspaper is running this ....
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Sorry. There is only one kind of atheist: the kind who does not believe in a god.
You are correct in that atheism is a superlative not subject to modification, one is on this side of the non belief line or the other.

What is subject to variation, and what the thesis appears to be addressing, is the path to atheism. The categories being offered are not variations on the basic non belief, rather variations in motivations for not believing and variations in behavior as a consequence of non belief.
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Old 07-15-2013, 01:30 PM
 
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It just is not a useful set of identifiers...
Agreed. My level of militancy about atheism is subject to variation, to audience, to mood of the day. I would be uncomfortable with permanent residence in any of the provided categorical boxes.
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Of course I think everyone would like to think of themselves as an 'Intellectual Atheist' LOL. I notice there is no 'Stupid Atheist' category . It probably wouldn't be very popular.

I'd always prefer to describe myself as Humanist but don't use the word much, as it hasn't really fallen yet into common use yet ie people don't really know what it means. Very basically what it means is that religion doesn't feature at all in my life - I'm not here to 'convert' anyone away from religion (- I'm happy to let the religious get on and do their thing - it seems to make a lot of people happy, so what? IMHO). Humanists are sometimes referred to as 'New atheists' so actually this guy seems to have that in the wrong category - as an 'anti theist' which is not what Humanists are about at all. Humanists simply look to science instead of religion as a better way to understand the world.
I could probably tick of one or two things in three of the categories above, but for the purpose of the poll I have ticked the 'intellectual atheist' category (of course .... No heckling from the back, thank you.)

I'm not sure why it should come as a surprise that non-believers should be as varied as people of faith. What were they expecting the results to be? Honestly.

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Old 07-15-2013, 04:02 PM
 
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Researchers at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga report that atheists are just as heterogenous as theists.

Many previous religious surveys placed people without religious beliefs into a catch-all category known as the "religious nones," but that oversimplifies the wide spectrum of opinions that fall into that group. The report identified six different groups of religious non-believers: Intellectual Atheist/Agnostics (IAA), Activist Atheist/Agnostics (AAA), Seeker Agnostics (SA), Antitheists, Non-theists and Ritual Atheist/Agnostics (RAA).

Intellectual Atheist/Agnostic (IAA)
The first and most frequently discussed type is what could be termed The Intellectual Atheist/Agnostic or IAA. IAA typology includes individuals who proactively seek to educate themselves through intellectual association, and proactively acquire knowledge on various topics relating to ontology (the search for Truth) and non-belief. They enjoy dialectic enterprises such as healthy democratic debate and discussions, and are intrinsically motivated to do so.

Activist (AAA)
These individuals are termed the Activist Atheist/Agnostic. Individuals in the AAA typology are not content with the placidity of simply holding a non-belief position; they seek to be both vocal and proactive regarding current issues in the atheist and/or agnostic socio-political sphere. This sphere can include such egalitarian issues, but is not limited to: concerns of humanism, feminism, Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgendered (LGBT) issues, social or political concerns, human rights themes, environmental concerns, animal rights, and controversies such as the separation of church and state.

Seeker-Agnostic (SA)
Seeker-Agnostic typology consists of individuals attuned to the metaphysical possibilities precluding metaphysical existence, or at least recognizes the philosophical difficulties and complexities in making personal affirmations regarding ideological beliefs. They may call themselves agnostic or agnostic-atheist, as the SA simply cannot be sure of the existence of God or the divine. They keep an open mind in relation to the debate between the religious, spiritual, and antitheist elements within society.

Anti-Theist
While the Anti-Theists may be considered atheist or in some cases labeled as “new atheists,” the Anti-Theist is diametrically opposed to religious ideology. As such, the assertive Anti-Theist both proactively and aggressively asserts their views towards others when appropriate, seeking to educate the theists in the passé nature of belief and theology. In other words, antitheists view religion as ignorance and see any individual or institution associated with it as backward and socially detrimental.

Non-Theist
For the Non-Theists, the alignment of oneself with religion, or conversely an epistemological position against religion, can appear quite unconventional from their perspective. However, a few terms may best capture the sentiments of the Non-Theist. One is apathetic, while another may be disinterested. The Non-Theist is non-active in terms of involving themselves in social or intellectual pursuits having to do with religion or anti-religion. A Non-Theist simply does not concern him or herself with religion.

Ritual Atheist/Agnostic (RAA)
This exploration termed this type The Ritual Atheist/Agnostic or RAA. The RAA holds no belief in God or the divine, or they tend to believe it is unlikely that there is an afterlife with God or the divine. They are open about their lack of belief and may educate themselves on the various aspects of belief by others. One of the defining characteristics regarding Ritual Atheists/Agnostics is that they may find utility in the teachings of some religious traditions. They see these as more or less philosophical teachings of how to live life and achieve happiness than a path to transcendental liberation. Ritual Atheist/Agnostics find utility in tradition and ritual. For example, these individuals may participate in specific rituals, ceremonies, musical opportunities, meditation, yoga classes, or holiday traditions.

Atheist Study Reveals That Non-Believers Are Just As Varied As People Of Faith
What do any of the things listed under "Activist" (AAA) Atheist have to do with atheism? You might as well call that the Activist Atheist OR Theist category. It would be better to leave off the "belief/non-belief in god" qualifier all together.
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What do any of the things listed under "Activist" (AAA) Atheist have to do with atheism? You might as well call that the Activist Atheist OR Theist category. It would be better to leave off the "belief/non-belief in god" qualifier all together.
The thesis writer appears to be bringing an assumption of the activist's atheism being the basis for that person's positions on all of the listed issues. I would toss a generalization penalty flag except that I suspect the assumptions are valid. If introduced to a person and told that he or she was a activist Christian fundamentalist, would you not feel confident in being able to predict that person's positions on that same list of issues?

Your point that the description fits activist behavior regardless of theological beliefs, is valid.
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Researchers at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga report that atheists are just as heterogenous as theists.

Many previous religious surveys placed people without religious beliefs into a catch-all category known as the "religious nones," but that oversimplifies the wide spectrum of opinions that fall into that group. The report identified six different groups of religious non-believers: Intellectual Atheist/Agnostics (IAA), Activist Atheist/Agnostics (AAA), Seeker Agnostics (SA), Antitheists, Non-theists and Ritual Atheist/Agnostics (RAA).


Atheist Study Reveals That Non-Believers Are Just As Varied As People Of Faith
When I read the article again and saw the reference to "religious non-believers" when referring to the 6 types of atheists/agnostics, I was about to blow a gasket. However, when I checked the original study, it became obvious that the author of that news article did not know how to read/comprehend the study since their reference is inaccurate. The whole purpose of the study was to separate out the "unbelievers" (atheists/agnostics) from the "religious nones" since they had previously been all grouped into one category. The "religious nones" ARE believers, just not a part of any specified religion. However the unbelievers are obviously not part of the religious nones, because they are not religious, hence the reason to separate them in this study.

"Previous research and studies focusing on the diverse landscape of Belief in America have continually placed those who profess no belief in a God or gods into one unified category infamously known as the “religious nones”. This catch-all category presented anyone who identified as having “no religion” as a homogeneous group in America today, lumping people who may believe in God with the many who don’t"

".........These responses were used to design a typology of Non-belief that could be used (and built upon) in future research on Non-belief in the social sciences as a legitimate field of research in its own right, distinct from the social scientific study of “religion”."

"In what we hope will become at least a modest crack in the monolithic “religious none” category, we proudly present a very brief overview of our findings based on the diverse “types” of non-belief that make up an important and growing sub-population of America today. A typology of six characteristics emerged within the data and is presented as follows."

"It is very important to recognize that these comparisons are being made only within “non-belief”. In other words, these results are not juxtaposed alongside “believers” or any subset of population that identifies as “religious” and therefore no conclusions or empirical inferences can be currently draw as to how the two groups, or rather sub segments of the two groups might stack up against each other. Certainly additional research should explore these typologies in relation to believers to see if such conclusions can hold true for outside perceptions. "
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