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Old 11-06-2013, 07:28 AM
 
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lol i don't know why, and i know you'll hate me, but all i could think about when i read the original post was the line by Jack Nicholson in "As Good as it gets", on women: "...I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability."

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sorry.
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Old 11-06-2013, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Texas
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For the same reason many of the religious folks feel need to push their views on those that would rather not hear.

I don't know why it's fair game that they can talk about it but we can't. What is worse is that some think that religious lawmakers are allowed to make laws promoting Christianity but atheists have to be silent.
Listen. I get where you are coming from as I, too, am not a Christian.

However, I have never found reason to organize and discuss it in a group setting. In fact, outside of this forum, I think very little of it.

The difference between Christians who organize to speak about Christianity and atheists is that they are organizing to speak about something they believe in. You don't think that's different from organizing to talk about something you don't believe in?

I do not believe that the fundamental point of atheism is centered around fighting Christian policies that offend you. And believe me, if you know my background and who I am, there is plenty to be offended about.

As I understand it, atheism is the lack of belief in something. It's hard to imagine an active role in failing to believe.

I agree, however, that no one should be silenced when it comes to their political views. I, too, believe the ideal is a separation between religion and state. However, I think it is more important in this case to tease out if your problem is with the policies or if it's because the policies are coming from a Christian viewpoint.

As we have often seen with radical Islam, sometimes using religion is just the scapegoat to justify bad behavior. The real fact is people will often do anything to further their cause, including bastardize their own religious beliefs to fit some warped point of view.
Another example...I don't really believe that most people who are using Christianity as a reason to be against gay people are actually doing it because of what it says in the Bible. Instead, they are using the Bible passages to give power to their insecurities, their fears, their loss of power, their feelings of marginalization, and their sexist bias.

Your problem is not with religion. It's with people who use power irresponsibly and lie about why they're doing it. Organize against that.
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Old 11-06-2013, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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Atheist was never supposed to mean "anti-religion," but it definitely has become that way in a lot of cases.

Most women aren't necessarily up for fighting against something like that and will not be as vocal as their male counterparts. Women in general are not as vocal as men in sociopolitical arena.

I imagine there are plenty of women who are atheist/lean that way. They just aren't shouting about it.

Frankly, that makes more sense to me. If you don't believe in god, why talk about it? Then again, I am a woman.
Good point. For the same reasons women who choose not to have children and remain childfree aren't "anti-child" for the most part but are often labeled that way. But as time goes by they find themselves becoming defensive and having to be vocal in fighting to be accepted for their decision. And along with that they become or appear to become anti-child while in reality they would definitely prefer to just not have to be constantly explain their reasons and just leave everyone to their own life choices.

I agree, why explain why I am an atheist? Nobody ever asked me why I practiced being a Jew when I followed that religion. And nobody ever asked anyone I know who is a mother why they chose motherhood. So as a women in both circumstances, I don't owe anyone any explanation for either one of them.
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Old 11-06-2013, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Good point. For the same reasons women who choose not to have children and remain childfree aren't "anti-child" for the most part but are often labeled that way. But as time goes by they find themselves becoming defensive and having to be vocal in fighting to be accepted for their decision. And along with that they become or appear to become anti-child while in reality they would definitely prefer to just not have to be constantly explain their reasons and just leave everyone to their own life choices.

I agree, why explain why I am an atheist? Nobody ever asked me why I practiced being a Jew when I followed that religion. And nobody ever asked anyone I know who is a mother why they chose motherhood. So as a women in both circumstances, I don't owe anyone any explanation for either one of them.
Minervah, I am not one of those dbaggy type people who gets offended on behalf of other people, but I am truly sorry you ever had to put up with dumb questions like these.

I do not know how I escaped them living smack dab in the Bible Belt, but I have never once been questioned. Maybe I am not worth caring bout or something. Truly bizarre anyone would make that crap their business.
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Old 11-06-2013, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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Minervah, I am not one of those dbaggy type people who gets offended on behalf of other people, but I am truly sorry you ever had to put up with dumb questions like these.

I do not know how I escaped them living smack dab in the Bible Belt, but I have never once been questioned. Maybe I am not worth caring bout or something. Truly bizarre anyone would make that crap their business.
Thank you. I am surprised you never ran into this and am glad as well. I was never militant about this but all my life I have been questioned as have my CF friends. There are websites all over the Internet where childfree people who post about their experiences they have had with those who do not approve of their choice to be child-free just as there are people here who post about the scornful attitudes they have experienced from those who reject their embracing atheism.

I am finding a lot of similarities of what I feel are personal life choices regarding both atheism and not having kids. Although here I think it's more in the form of leading questions (not this thread) and challenges to atheists and the slanting of the bias towards one religion in particular.

But getting back on topic, I know that's why I hesitate to get into the whys and wherefores as to my choice of leaving my theist beliefs. After many years of having to listen to people expecting me to explain myself about one important life choice I just don't feel like justify myself for another.
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Old 11-07-2013, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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That's a great list of options, OH. I have one more to add - there are non-theist Quakers (aka Society of Friends). They usually go by the name "Friends Meeting" rather than "Friends Church".

Nontheist Quakers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
One example of the above:

I'm an atheist so why am I a committed Quaker?
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Old 11-07-2013, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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There are also Jewish Atheists.

Jewish atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I can understand this although I have never sought anything like this out. There are some teachings I learned by intelligent people incorporated in Judaism that are more tools on various aspects of life that are incorporated into one would call religious aspects of the Judaism since the emphasis is on this life instead of the next. Things like education, treatment of animals, family obligation etc which are simply good ways to live. I don't reject these teachings along with my rejection of a deity.

I don't reject the good parts of any religion. Only the bad parts that make people act like idiots.
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Old 11-07-2013, 02:47 PM
 
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There are also Christian atheists. 1/6 of clergy in some churches are atheist or agnostic according to one university study I read once.

For Judaism, the question begs to be asked, is it a religion, an ethnicity, a culture, or a combination? The answer is: it depends.

40% of Jews in the United States have no clear religious identity. Jews are less likely to vote Republican than any other identifiable group including blacks, gays, and atheists.
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Old 11-07-2013, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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There are also Christian atheists. 1/6 of clergy in some churches are atheist or agnostic according to one university study I read once.

For Judaism, the question begs to be asked, is it a religion, an ethnicity, a culture, or a combination? The answer is: it depends.

40% of Jews in the United States have no clear religious identity. Jews are less likely to vote Republican than any other identifiable group including blacks, gays, and atheists.
At one time I would have argued it is a religion. Now I think it is different for different people. My family who are all pretty religious would say it is. For me, not so much. I see it more as a culture and ethnicity. I never had any formal religious teaching but it was the manner in which I was brought up as a Jew. I have an ethic and an outlook that I choose to live by. It has nothing to do with a God as a creator or director of my fate or anything of the sort. That part of it didn't stick.

As in all religions, there are the fundamentalists who cling to the ancient teachings of one book even though in modern times those things have long past. I just got through reading Malala Yousafzai's book about her ordeal and no one brings this home clearer than she regarding the Islamic faith and women.
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Old 11-13-2013, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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Like myself...women can readily admit that we just don't know and tend to sit in the AGNOSTIC camp. I believe there is a SOURCE to us ALL, but I would never claim any man made religion to explain or know exactly what that SOURCE. I'm perfectly happy just being and treating others the way that I wish to be treated. I think if more religious folks actually practiced what they preach this would be a different world.
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