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Old 09-10-2013, 01:16 AM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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I was in school also when it got added. I don't remember anyone objecting on the grounds of being atheist, but my best friend was one of the three Jews in the school system, and his parents - Conservative Jews, did not like it. And many Catholics objected. As you said, we just skipped those words during the pledge.

However, I think the time is near when we will have a Rightist government, and we will hear that every military move is being made because we have "God on our side."
A lot of people objected to it at the time. And they were all religious people. If you tell that to people today though, they are surprised. They seem to think everyone wanted it to be included. I suppose the majority did otherwise it wouldn't be there today but I remember even though I was a kid, there was a lot of controversy. I supposed that was because my parents and my friends parents discussed it a lot.
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Old 09-22-2013, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Did you guys have anything like cadets at HS?
No, not in the US. The only thing remotely like that, that people were involved in by HS was Boy Scouts.
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This tradition kind of reminds me of a joke of a woman that always cut off a third of a pot roast but when quizzed why replied her mother always did it this way. Upon investigating, this was the pat answer given by mother, grandmother and only when they got to great grandmother who was still alive, did they find the real reason, the part that was cut off was due to it being spoiled i.e. no refrigeration. (something to that effect)
The version of the story I heard was that the great grandmother cut the ends off because she didn't have a pot quite big enough to fit it into.
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Old 09-22-2013, 10:06 AM
 
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Did you guys have anything like cadets at HS?
JR. ROTC - the training ground for the army.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...FRpSo#imgdii=_
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Old 09-23-2013, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Earth. For now.
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No matter what challenges or petition there are regards to removing "under God" in pledge and "In God We Trust" as our motto and on currency; it will remain the way it is due to the president and congress supporting it, as well as since 90% of Americans believe in God.

Like it or not, the United States is among the most religious western nations. President has argued that the government is not forbidden mentioning "God" in public because it is not solely representing one religion only.
That may be true, but it avoids the fact that there are plenty of polytheistic religions.
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Old 09-23-2013, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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The phrases "under God" and "In God we trust", when written or stated repeatedly, soon become meaningless and are nothing more than words. Who actually reads "In God We Trust" on their coins? Who actually pays attention to "Under God" when saying the pledge of allegiance day after day in school. It all becomes mechanical.

Just like the commercialism of Christmas has taken what should be the true meaning of Christmas out of what should be a holy holiday for Christians, so has "under God" and "In God we trust" on coinage and a pledge mouthed at a flag diminishes the meaning of a deity.

That is why as an atheist, hearing or seeing those words do not bother me.
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Old 09-23-2013, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Emerald Coast, FL
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Which God? Allah? Vishnu? The Flying Spaghetti Monster? I told my son to substitute "under dog" - at least we're pretty sure dogs love us.
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Old 09-26-2013, 06:12 AM
 
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Which God? Allah? Vishnu? The Flying Spaghetti Monster? I told my son to substitute "under dog" - at least we're pretty sure dogs love us.
Underdog is AWESOME. I love it

http://journalofdoubt.net/jodwp/wp-c...7/underdog.jpg
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Old 10-04-2013, 07:26 AM
 
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Interesting because the grounds for this challenge are different than the usual ones.

Mass. Supreme Court to hear challenge to Pledge of Allegiance | Religion News Service



This one is challenging the compulsory recitation in the public schools as a violation of the equal rights laws of the state.

Should be quite interesting to watch this play out.
This Country was in part created under Christian Views and is stated by the US Constitution and the bill of Rights. This Country during the Colonial times was the resting place of the persecution of religion in Europe. There are many passages that refer to God if you look closely.
Such as the Church of England. We in this country have the right to practice religion in our own fashion.
Or Not have any Religion. The 13 Colonies were the Resting place for not only Catholics, but Lutherans , Baptist, Jews and every shape of believers.

Christian Values are every where and are the part of what makes this country Great! Taking god out of the equation would go against what made this country Great.
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Old 10-04-2013, 04:48 PM
 
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The phrases "under God" and "In God we trust", when written or stated repeatedly, soon become meaningless and are nothing more than words. Who actually reads "In God We Trust" on their coins? Who actually pays attention to "Under God" when saying the pledge of allegiance day after day in school. It all becomes mechanical.

Just like the commercialism of Christmas has taken what should be the true meaning of Christmas out of what should be a holy holiday for Christians, so has "under God" and "In God we trust" on coinage and a pledge mouthed at a flag diminishes the meaning of a deity.

That is why as an atheist, hearing or seeing those words do not bother me.
Me, either.

During a spirited online discussion on this topic a few years ago, a friendly theist acquaintance of mine helpfully offered to take all my god-labeled cash off my hands if it would help me feel better.

I agreed, provided that he turned over to me all his bank accounts, credit cards, automobile registration papers and real estate deeds that *didn't* have 'god' on them
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Old 10-04-2013, 04:50 PM
 
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This Country was in part created under Christian Views and is stated by the US Constitution and the bill of Rights.
Respectfully, the words 'christ' and 'christian' appear nowhere in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.
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