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Old 10-04-2013, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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This Country was in part created under Christian Views and is stated by the US Constitution and the bill of Rights. This Country during the Colonial times was the resting place of the persecution of religion in Europe. There are many passages that refer to God if you look closely.
Such as the Church of England. We in this country have the right to practice religion in our own fashion.
Or Not have any Religion. The 13 Colonies were the Resting place for not only Catholics, but Lutherans , Baptist, Jews and every shape of believers.

Christian Values are every where and are the part of what makes this country Great! Taking god out of the equation would go against what made this country Great.
You need to back and study your American history. This country was founded on the principles of the idea of the separation of church and state. "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's; render unto God's what is God's."

Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and most of the signers of the Declaration of Independence and creators of the Constitution were intent upon keeping religion out of the mix. It was founded on ethics and morals that may have coincided with Christian religious principles but were not because of them. Some were avowed Christians, some were skeptics. Some deists, some atheists, but all were humanists who were looking to throw of the oppression of both church and king. This is what this country was supposed to be all about.

Christ is not mentioned in the Bill of Rights or the Constitution for a reason.


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Old 10-04-2013, 06:52 PM
 
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This Country was in part created under Christian Views and is stated by the US Constitution and the bill of Rights. This Country during the Colonial times was the resting place of the persecution of religion in Europe. There are many passages that refer to God if you look closely.
Such as the Church of England. We in this country have the right to practice religion in our own fashion.
Or Not have any Religion. The 13 Colonies were the Resting place for not only Catholics, but Lutherans , Baptist, Jews and every shape of believers.

Christian Values are every where and are the part of what makes this country Great! Taking god out of the equation would go against what made this country Great.
Go back an read the constitution and the bill of rights.

God is Not in the U.S. Constitution or Bill of Rights | Majority Rules

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Interestingly enough but not suprisingly, there have been attempts to add God and Jesus to the US constitution. Christian attempts to amend the US Constitution occurred in 1864, 1874, 1896 and 1911.

The original version of these amendments stated “We, the people of the United States recognizing the being and attributes of Almighty God, the Divine Authority of the Holy Scriptures, the law of God as the paramount rule, and Jesus, the Messiah, the Savior and Lord of all, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquillity, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and to our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Wisely Congress never passed this or similar amendments . But that doesn’t mean God didn’t creep in in other ways. For example, there is our current national moto which is printed on our money.
God is mentioned (and not the Christian god, but simply the creator) in the Declaration of Independence which is not part of our Constitution.
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Old 10-05-2013, 12:09 AM
 
Location: SNA=>PDX 2013
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Maybe a lame question, but why would Catholic's be against it?

I personally have an issue with it because if America is all for "freedom of Religion", why are we subjected to the majority and forced to follow? I'd still love to see that exercised and the separation of church and state, because obviously, America as a country, can't do either.
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Old 10-10-2013, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Albany, GA
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This Country was in part created under Christian Views and is stated by the US Constitution and the bill of Rights. This Country during the Colonial times was the resting place of the persecution of religion in Europe. There are many passages that refer to God if you look closely.
Such as the Church of England. We in this country have the right to practice religion in our own fashion.
Or Not have any Religion. The 13 Colonies were the Resting place for not only Catholics, but Lutherans , Baptist, Jews and every shape of believers.

Christian Values are every where and are the part of what makes this country Great! Taking god out of the equation would go against what made this country Great.
What are you talking about?

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As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.

-John Adams, Treaty of Tripoli, 1797
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Old 10-10-2013, 10:40 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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What are you talking about?
Many christians want to believe in just another fantasy.
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Old 10-11-2013, 04:19 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Maybe a lame question, but why would Catholic's be against it?

I personally have an issue with it because if America is all for "freedom of Religion", why are we subjected to the majority and forced to follow? I'd still love to see that exercised and the separation of church and state, because obviously, America as a country, can't do either.
Protestants see God as personal and through the lens of personal relationship. For Catholics, God is associated with institution, and it feels wrong to have God mixed up with a separate and unrelated institution.
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