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Old 09-10-2013, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Midcoast Maine
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Interesting article:

Top Conversation Killers for Atheists: How Religious Theists Can Hurt Their Cause
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Old 09-10-2013, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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That deprives them of pretty much their entire repertoire. May as well say "Don't talk, just listen and learn."


All those things on the list have been written and directed to the believers on this forum, numerous times, I know, I've written many of them. It hasn't done a bit of good as far as I can tell and collecting them into one convenient condescending package isn't likely to produce better results. It is throwing the basic rules of logic in their faces and if they were the sorts to employ basic logic they probably wouldn't be here lobbying for their theist theories.
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Old 09-10-2013, 07:25 PM
 
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Thanks anyway. While the one about 'really being agnostic' is likely to start a discussion - from me anyway, - what stops the conversation in short order is when the explanation is rejected on the 'I understand atheism better than atheists do' line.

Not to mention trying on reversal of burden of proof using various means. Top ten favourites?

(1) God exists until you prove that he doesn't.

(2) God obviously exists - if not, who made everything, then?'

(3) that is only human logic.
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Old 09-10-2013, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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They are all annoying but my least favorite is when questioned about the validity of the Bible, they prove it by quoting from it.

Its real because its real because its real because....

It might not be a bad idea to have that list around as a sticky. Then whenever we are confronted by one of the primary errors, instead of having to explain why all over again, we may simply link the list with a notation..."See # 3 or See # 6" as needed.
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Old 09-11-2013, 01:53 AM
 
Location: South Africa
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The main issue IMO with internet discussions from a theist's perspective is validation. If you are versed in theology it adds to the conversation (sometimes) The majority of theists would probably not be in these discussions and for the most part live their lives devoid of fundamental outlooks.

Americans seem to differ slightly as even though we tend to have the same percentages of self ID believers, we really do not see this level of debate here in SA if at all. Then again, we are and have been for the most part relatively secular as far as politics go. In the US these lines are very blurred.

It would have been interesting to have had the internet 40 years back and to see how ideas may have changed over time.
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Old 09-11-2013, 04:04 AM
 
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Indeed the Internet has enabled al kinds of discussion, sound and waffy. While an awful lot of crud is peddled, it doesn't go unchallenged and I do believe in the end the better arguments will gain currency. In the long run, the internet is our ally. Without providing all your brains for me to pick, I couldn't do this stuff.
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Old 09-11-2013, 06:05 AM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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I think the referenced article will be beneficial to the thoughtful theists who really are not threatened by, and really want to understand unbelief. All four of them.
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:17 AM
 
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I think the referenced article will be beneficial to the thoughtful theists who really are not threatened by, and really want to understand unbelief. All four of them.
That many?
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