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Old 09-25-2013, 10:32 AM
 
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Saw him on the Daily Show tonight. Seems an affable sort, hardly the fire-breathing, atheist zealot some here have painted him.

He made a point of differentiating between fundamentalists and more liberal religionists - aiming his disdain for the former.
That's exactly right TroutDude. To be fair, when he first became well known after publishing the God Delusion, he probably was a little harsher the start with. But he's since mellowed and he's really nothing like the spawn of the devil he's portrayed to be. He's just a very, very, rational clear thinking person.
He doesn't even describe himself as an atheist which frankly I find annoying because the atheist / agnostic stance drives me absolutely nuts.

Dawkins is the result of a British culture which has had a half-hearted relationship with god ever since Henry VIII decided to either divorce his wives or cut off their heads and set up his own 'church' .

He was really the first person to come out and really say publicly what everybody else was already thinking, bear in mind the God Delusion was only published in 2006 which doesn't seem possible. I have to say I much prefer him to Christopher Hitchens (now passed away) who I just found confrontational.

Both my husband and brother have both been atheist their whole lives. Atheism is no big deal in the UK.
Dawkins is extremely intelligent and knowledgeable about his field but contrary to things that are said here, and I have heard him say "I don't know' or "I don't understand that' many times when asked a question outside his expertise.

I have posted these videos a couple of times on the A&A website so thought I might as well give it a go here.

These are debates or discussions between Archbishop Rowan Williams (Head of the Anglican church) and Dawkins.

I have huge, huge respect for Rowan Williams in these interviews for taking on Dawkins and explaining his beliefs in an equally rational and clear headed way.
Also to note on a side issue that Rowan Williams has actually been to CERN to see the Hadron Collider in action and is good friends with my favourite scientist / atheist Brian Cox. The guy really has to be applauded for doing his best to understand science and fit this with his theistic beliefs.
This is a reflection IMO of the general healthy attitude that manages to embrace science and religion in the UK .





The first one is here is very lengthy and dry to get going. You can skip about the first 8 minutes. But it discusses humanity and the origin of life:


Richard Dawkins & Rowan Williams Archbishop of Canterbury discuss human nature & ultimate origin - YouTube

This one pulls no punches I have to admit: But fair play to Rowan Williams for holding his own:


Dawkins interviews Rowan Williams - YouTube

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Old 09-26-2013, 12:39 AM
 
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(Chosen out of a group of 7 or 8 "possibles" that included several Nobel Award recipients...)

A special note to all of our knee-jerk anti-Dawkins non-thinker crowd here who have been rote-chant trained by their vividly narrow-minded church or those Koo-koo Khristian websites to automatically hate him:

Richard Dawkins named world's top thinker in poll | Books | The Guardian

Yup: a biased & untrained idiot for sure!
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And, as duly announced today, his new book...

Richard Dawkins' Delightful Memoir Dilutes The Poison : 13.7: Cosmos And Culture : NPR

Dawkins was interviewed this morning on NPR as an intro to his new (and likely..best seller to be..) book...

An Appetite for Wonder; The Making of a Scientist

(see: Amazon,com Then buy and <gasp!> read it. And THEN... <ahem...> consider, even if briefly, his ideas, instead of the usual theist's auto-dismissal and vile diatribes! )

It's obvious to the thinking side of the so-called "arguments" on C-D's R&P sub here, that an individual can be (and in Richard's case, so obviously is...)the beneficiary of a superb mind in many other specific areas of thought.

Dr. Dawkins' outstanding genetic research and his science-based and published conclusions are proof of his mental capacity to "suss" things out in a thorough, and often later, and very well-presented and published manner.

You cannot just dismiss him because you don't like his ideas, and then claim your sole reason is that he does not happen to have another separate degree in journalism!

Else, can we all chant "mindless criticism" together here?

Those ongoing rabid dismissals of Dawkins so often given here, as though he must necessarily limit his book topics to "questionable genetic topics" [as one moron here has claimed...] are as vacuous as is intellectually possible, and more than demonstrable of a truly closed mind.

The shiver-inducing fear that Dawkins' mind and discussions so obviously engender in those whose spiritual life is dependent on their Bronze-age belief system, is in direct proportion to his v. high intellectual capability (his IQ has been claimed to be north of 180..).

Now.. as well, isn't spiritual hubris and jealousy of other's mental abilities also a noted Christian sin? I think so! No wonder it's now being so wholeheartedly chucked out the now-sagging and $$$-unsupported church doors across America! Good thing our minds and our children's school educations in science and thinking are finally coming of age in this, the most theistically out-of-date country in the world. And so.. here's a special modern-day thanx to the likes of Dr. Dawkins!

To the denialists however, his smarter ideas and inarguable presentations "obviously" mean an ever-more EVil™ individual. Oddly, these jealous types gather round the intellectually bereft ideas that they continue to defend, ever drawn [by fear of the claimed consequences, one can imagine...] to their proudly held essence of non-thought like moths to the infernal but deadly flame of truth...

Yup: 'tis truly the stuff of the benevolent, open and consistently Christian mind...

Meantime, the level of their thoughtless & damning vitriol is in directly inverse proportion to Dawkins' presentations. Seems when someone of such monumental capability as the good Doctor comes along to present their various but very defensible viewpoints, they are then focused on by the church and it's spectacularly nonsensical websites with their endless streams of absurdly inaccurate, or purposefully mis-represented... concepts.

The fear in such responses, as I have pointed out so often now, is palpable. The total inability of denialists to logically defend the Christian viewpoint, goes ballistic when they are faced with Dawkins' inarguable level of atheism. They simply WILL NOT EVER ANSWER, and that alone should cause, at the very least, an involuntary intellectual "wiggle" within the folks here who might be on the fence.

Intellectually conclusive atheism most always comes only in later life, most often to a post-church-brainwashed child, after those start-up thinkers take even a brief moment, as I did, in my late teens and early 20s as a once-devout Christian...to review the silliness. (As with Dawkins, it was in his teens, shortly after he realized the level of Christian abuse he'd endured up to about his 13th or 14th birthday..).

Such illumination is then well supported by the difficult realization of just exactly what the church was indeed up to with those kids placed in their charge, and into their obvious brainwashing systemics at weekly Sunday School. [/i]("Now children, remember! God is watching ,and He will smite you if you don't do as I tell you...")[/i]

"Therefore said the Lord, who has power to slay both body and soul in hell-fire.

How? When the ungodly shall be cast into hell-fire, will his body and his soul burn there?

Everlasting punishment will be the death of the body; the absence of God will be the death of the soul.

Would you know what the death of the soul is? Understand the Prophet who says, Let the ungodly be taken away, that he may not see the glory of the Lord."

OMG, huh? See what you are bound for if'n you don't immediately grab up your bible and head out to church? (with your wallet in pocket, naturally...)

Such anti-science naysayers, not having actually read any of Dawkins' substantial other works, still maintain themselves to be supposedly honest and benevolent Christians, and therefore should be mightily ashamed, esp. in the eyes of their oh-so-judgmental Godhead entity, for their knee-jerk cruel focus! The facts on their behavior always prove otherwise!

Best of luck with your minds, my friends, and to my enemies: get one, OK?

For all his effort, he can't resurrect the dead, give the hope of living forever and end death.
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:32 AM
 
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For all his effort, he can't resurrect the dead, give the hope of living forever and end death.
What? Nobody can do that.
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:34 AM
 
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Not surprised - as I have 2 of Richard Dawkins' books sitting on my shelf.

I should probably look into more of his works.
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:41 AM
 
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What? Nobody can do that.
And nobody has done that.
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:51 AM
 
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This one pulls no punches I have to admit: But fair play to Rowan Williams for holding his own:
Actually, I'd say that Dawkins totally destroys the Archbishop's arguments. But he does it in a nice and respectful way. :-)
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Old 09-26-2013, 10:59 AM
 
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For all his effort, he can't resurrect the dead, give the hope of living forever and end death.
Is that the best you can offer to this thread? Seriously?




Dawkins is a scientist, a thinker, someone who does not have to hide reality in the realm of mythology and walking zombies. Great Minds like Dawkins have given humanity, since the beginning of time, contributions which have succeeded thousandfold in enhancing and escalating the human experience. Something myth and religions, which hope for an end to humanity, continuously fail to do.
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:01 AM
 
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Is that the best you can offer to this thread? Seriously?




Dawkins is a scientist, a thinker, someone who does not have to hide reality in the realm of mythology and walking zombies. Great Minds like Dawkins have given humanity, since the beginning of time, contributions which have succeeded thousandfold in enhancing and escalating the human experience. Something myth and religions, which hope for an end to humanity, continuously fail to do.
Yet, Dawkins has shown a failure to understand Christianity, or make a reasonable argument against it. He has been destroyed when he actually debates a good Christian thinker--if he is willing to even debate them.
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:30 AM
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Yet, Dawkins has shown a failure to understand Christianity, or make a reasonable argument against it. He has been destroyed when he actually debates a good Christian thinker--if he is willing to even debate them.
Can you link to one or two of those lopsided losses?
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:41 PM
 
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Default A polite offer to help....

I have the exact same request. Please provide such a debate (there's so very many of them on YouTube Viz, in case you're having any trouble finding them...).

And noting that if you don't want to provide them for our open purview, I will, but mine show quite a different outcome...

I've never seen Dawkins lose these so-called debates unless they are heavily and Selectively quote-minded or mis-quoted...

Oh say it isn't so!
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