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Old 10-21-2013, 04:25 PM
 
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That is very true. I wonder who guided the pilot's hand as he tried to land the plane.
I can't decide between magical leprechauns, fairy dust, aliens... or the pilot himself. Tough choice eh?
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Old 10-21-2013, 04:47 PM
 
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I wonder who didn't guide the hand of all the pilots that crashed.
Maybe the "guide" was there but was rejected by a pilot who lacked faith.

Many are called, but few chosen.

John 8:47

Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.
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Old 10-21-2013, 05:01 PM
 
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Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.”
Another reason might be that there aren't any words.
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Old 10-21-2013, 07:01 PM
 
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Another reason might be that there aren't any words.
Mark 4:24 - And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given.

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Old 10-21-2013, 07:05 PM
 
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Mark 4:24 - And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given.
This is not the place to be quoting scripture. If you have some argument to make, make it. If you want to quote scripture with a chance of anyone thinking it means spit, do it on the Christian board, their credibility standards are non existent.
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Old 10-21-2013, 07:12 PM
 
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Maybe the "guide" was there but was rejected by a pilot who lacked faith.

Many are called, but few chosen.

John 8:47

Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.”
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Another reason might be that there aren't any words.
When people hear voices in their heads (other than their own), it's time to see a psychiatrist.
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Old 10-22-2013, 03:23 PM
 
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If you have some argument to make, make it.
OK, here is my point. I don't think it is nice to say that Theists need a "security blanket". That is a very demeaning comment.

Some people look at the world around us and see evidence of a guiding force that controls everything. They are Theists.

Other people see no guiding force making the world operate. They are Atheists.

There is no reason for either of these groups to feel superior to the other and no need to make comments denigrating the other group/
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Old 10-22-2013, 05:15 PM
 
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There is no reason for either of these groups to feel superior to the other and no need to make comments denigrating the other group/


I think that there are plenty of reasons. For the religious, they have convinced themselves that they are backed by the infinite power behind the creation of all, they are persuaded that this entity loves them and has a personal interest in every thing that they do and every thought which they contemplate. They think that in exchange for this belief that they are going to be made euphorically immortal by their loving creator while the non believers will learn a bitter lesson in arrogance when eternal damnation comes their way.

Why wouldn't such a mindset either spring from, or generate, a sense of superiority?

As for the atheists, being in the minority while simultaneously knowing that cosmic truth can only be uncovered by rational process, not emotionalism, they will of course see themselves as special. Why are they given the vision to see how nonsensical religious belief is while so many others are gullible, simplistic and naive about it? It feels like being singled out for a gift, the freedom from superstition, while others are shackled for life to preposterous beliefs.

Why wouldn't such a mindset either spring from, or generate, a sense of superiority?

It seems a dynamic certain to create conflict which includes general contempt for the other side.
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Old 10-22-2013, 06:59 PM
 
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To the point of your original question, I think some people will continue to avoid self-awareness, personal responsibility, and direct experience of life-as-it-is. Religion has long been a favored mechanism for such avoidance and will continue to be so for a long time to come -- though I believe it inherently must gradually fade from its current prominence.
There has been solid psycho-therapeutic modalities which reinforce this point. Many people rely too much on "magical thinking" to achieve a state of optimal health. When religion allows or even encourages an individual to become "Stuck" in magical thinking, then in that case, religion could be seen as detrimental to one's health.

For lack of a better term, FEAR-MONGERING is a very basic trait of many religions, especially Christian and Islamic fundamentalists. These individuals wallow in fear, and rather than to erase or confront it, they build up mythical (religious) Barriers by which to protect themselves from it. This does not rid the psyche of the stress of fear, or in anyway alleviate it, but it does allow the person to have the delusion higher function while being controlled by fears. And that is the key, these people are controlled by fear.

Now if one is selling insurance, then fear is a good tool. But the problem is that when a religion or faith exists as a result of fear, then the same fear becomes all encompassing. The zen path allows for one to overcome and see fear as just an illusion, while the insurance salesman and the baptist preacher both rely on it to put food on their tables. The last thing a pastor wants to hear is "I'm not worried at all" ....
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Old 10-22-2013, 07:12 PM
 
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Why wouldn't such a mindset either spring from, or generate, a sense of superiority?
Because you can't prove you are correct.

Of course, if you are a Liberal, then you naturally believe that anyone who disagrees with you is a complete idiot, and a feeling of superiority in understandable.
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