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Old 11-17-2013, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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Pretty illuminating of the religious mindset, though, isn't it?
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Well, you have to suppose without someone telling them a story about a heavenly creature what would they have to go on? Belief in a God is hearsay after all. I think that's why he was puzzled by the answers. Of course it matters what people do and say to a theist, that is their belief, they believe what someone has told them. It is illuminating indeed. Follow the leader.............
Yes, both very good points. To add to this they also appear to constantly have to come up with questions they themselves often refuse to answer in order to reinforce their own beliefs. If they truly had strength in their own convictions, it would not matter to them what others believed or disbelieved.
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Old 11-17-2013, 08:01 PM
 
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If famous atheists, such as Richard Dawkins, suddenly converted to Christianity (whether givings good reasons for doing so or not); would you change your mind and convert as well?
If a famous christian became an atheist, would you?
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Old 11-18-2013, 05:20 AM
 
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Of course, he never seems to have believed in a personal god. He might have become a deist, but definitely not a Christian or a Muslim.

Antony Flew Considers God...Sort Of

The Curious Case of Antony Flew
Yes. From what I gathered, Flew was perfectly rational and intelligent when he became persuaded of the existence of a god. The argument presented by Behe for Intelligent design persuaded him that there was god scientific reasons to suppose that a god existed. This is what I hope I would do and any atheist would do if presented with persuasive evidence that a god existed, religion was valid and the bible was true.

If then it turned out that the 'evidence' was nothing like as good as it was claimed - which happened with Behe's intelligent design.

Flew made it plain in an interview that his persuasion that a designer-god existed had not made him a christian, though some heavy -handed editing at the end of the tape tried to make it look as though he was. I regret that he did not live long enough to state that he had been fooled and could no longer call himself a theist. That is what I would do, if evidence that had persuaded me turned out to be worthless.

Those who rely on Faith rather than evidence cannot or will not do this.

Thanks for the very informative links, by the way.
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Old 11-18-2013, 07:58 AM
 
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Old 11-18-2013, 08:30 AM
 
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As I don't turn my belief or non belief in a diety on and off like a light switch....no.
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Old 11-18-2013, 09:10 AM
 
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I've been an atheist since childhood long before I ever heard of Richard Dawkins.

So no.
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Old 11-18-2013, 11:56 AM
 
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Thank you, and point taken. The point in the discussion here is far more than just answering one passing theist, but to explain (often repeatedly) our views and mindset to the thousands of other who look in, and to hone the skills in replying to FAQ, such as 'How do you know God doesn't exist.', 'Y'all believe we came from monkeys?' and of course, 'why don't we atheists all shut up and go away?'
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Old 11-18-2013, 12:52 PM
 
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Old 06-19-2014, 08:40 PM
 
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No. Why would I? If somebody as high profile as Dawkins converted, I would think he had a mental illness or something like that. I would probably lose respect for the convert.
I think for myself, I am not a sheeple.
It is great that you think for yourself, but your statement that someone who decides or may decide to believe differently than you do has mental illness is just as intolerant as the tactics of the right wing fundamentalists toward you and other atheists. You should grant that person the same right to think for themselves while respectfully disagreeing based on facts and common sense rather than slurs IMO.
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Old 06-19-2014, 10:11 PM
 
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It is great that you think for yourself, but your statement that someone who decides or may decide to believe differently than you do has mental illness is just as intolerant as the tactics of the right wing fundamentalists toward you and other atheists. You should grant that person the same right to think for themselves while respectfully disagreeing based on facts and common sense rather than slurs IMO.
You are reading way more in to this old post than was implied.
I am not referring to just any person converting, I am referring only to famous high profile atheists.
People behave differently than me all the time, and I don't think they are mentally ill.
I don't see how you got all of that out of a very short and to the point post.
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