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Old 11-02-2013, 07:27 AM
 
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1- Why is there something rather than nothing (nothing being the non-existence of anything at all)?
Because my favorite celebrity atheists said so.

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2-If there is no God, is there good and evil, also called moral values? (No, there isn't) How could you come to the conclusion that helping is good and killing is bad?
Killing is bad? Can't be, Yahweh slaughters thousands and thousands in the OT...if that was bad HE wouldn't be doing it, would HE?

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3- If you believe that God is just a human idea and doesn't exist, than you have to consider that the moral values are also just human ideas and are not true in reality. If that is so, being you someone who was taught about the moral values since your childhood, how could you believe in your perspective of reality, once your own mind was built based in something that isn't actually true (moral values) by your own perspective?
When I became aware that my religiously inspired moral values were actually based on mythology, I took them to the Morality Store and traded them in for a set of secular values.
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Old 11-02-2013, 07:36 AM
 
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Hi all atheists, what answer would you give to the following questions?

1- Why is there something rather than nothing (nothing being the non-existence of anything at all)?

2-If there is no God, is there good and evil, also called moral values? (No, there isn't) How could you come to the conclusion that helping is good and killing is bad?

3- If you believe that God is just a human idea and doesn't exist, than you have to consider that the moral values are also just human ideas and are not true in reality. If that is so, being you someone who was taught about the moral values since your childhood, how could you believe in your perspective of reality, once your own mind was built based in something that isn't actually true (moral values) by your own perspective?

Thanks!
OP. I'm sure you can find the answers you seek in one of the 4,682,993 OTHER "could you atheists answer" threads.
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Old 11-02-2013, 08:01 AM
 
Location: SC
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The same person keeps signing up with new accounts and posting these questionnaires. They are always someone with almost no posting history. Then other than maybe professing to be doing a term paper, the poster very seldom discusses or engages or debates, they just vanish. Rinse and repeat.

I'd say "don't feed the trolls" except that there is no overt goading. It's almost like some kind of OCD thing. Creepy though. I'm not participating.
I agree.
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Old 11-02-2013, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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One thing is clear to me.

City-Data atheists have much better senses of humor than the City-Data Christians do!
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Old 11-02-2013, 11:55 AM
 
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Hi all atheists, what answer would you give to the following questions?

1- Why is there something rather than nothing (nothing being the non-existence of anything at all)?

Why is there God rather than no God? All beliefs face this question, ultimately.


2-If there is no God, is there good and evil, also called moral values? (No, there isn't) How could you come to the conclusion that helping is good and killing is bad?

Believers in a god or gods, even the same one...down to the same denomination or sect...do not agree on what is good or bad. Get two people from the same church together and ask them 20 questions about morality and see if you get perfect agreement. So atheists comes to the conclusion of what is good or bad the same way every other person does - through genetics, upbringing, community, thought, exposure, etc.


3- If you believe that God is just a human idea and doesn't exist, than you have to consider that the moral values are also just human ideas and are not true in reality. If that is so, being you someone who was taught about the moral values since your childhood, how could you believe in your perspective of reality, once your own mind was built based in something that isn't actually true (moral values) by your own perspective?

Again, if that question belongs to anyone, it belongs to everyone. How can you believe in your perspective of reality? On what do you base a belief that your perspective is true?

I don't own that question, however. I don't claim to have a perspective of reality to believe in or a truth. I live a happy life, and I'm happy to do good to and for others. I don't need more than that.
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Old 11-02-2013, 04:02 PM
 
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I'm not an atheist, and your questions don't make any sense to me.

Why can't moral values be true to a person who doesn't believe in God? Why do you think that a person couldn't come to those same conclusions without believing in God? There's no logic to what you're saying. Belief in God is not the only reason people do good things or choose to help others.

That isn't true. You can just be good and atheist because you grew up in a society that already have these values. And it came from religion. Check "The Abolition of Man", by C. S. Lewis.
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Old 11-02-2013, 04:07 PM
 
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iohanan


Because my favorite celebrity atheists said so.


Killing is bad? Can't be, Yahweh slaughters thousands and thousands in the OT...if that was bad HE wouldn't be doing it, would HE?


When I became aware that my religiously inspired moral values were actually based on mythology, I took them to the Morality Store and traded them in for a set of secular values.

1- They don't answer that. I know the theories from Hawking and Krauss.

2- Communists killed more than all religions together in just one century. They were not religious at all. It doesn't matter if church fails sometimes or not, the thing is there is no moral values without religion, simply because there is nothing in nature that affirms the values.

3- Pedophily was considered bad by religion, for example. None atheists deffended that before Christ.
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Old 11-02-2013, 04:15 PM
 
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Hi all atheists, what answer would you give to the following questions?

1- Why is there something rather than nothing (nothing being the non-existence of anything at all)?

Why is there God rather than no God? All beliefs face this question, ultimately.


2-If there is no God, is there good and evil, also called moral values? (No, there isn't) How could you come to the conclusion that helping is good and killing is bad?

Believers in a god or gods, even the same one...down to the same denomination or sect...do not agree on what is good or bad. Get two people from the same church together and ask them 20 questions about morality and see if you get perfect agreement. So atheists comes to the conclusion of what is good or bad the same way every other person does - through genetics, upbringing, community, thought, exposure, etc.


3- If you believe that God is just a human idea and doesn't exist, than you have to consider that the moral values are also just human ideas and are not true in reality. If that is so, being you someone who was taught about the moral values since your childhood, how could you believe in your perspective of reality, once your own mind was built based in something that isn't actually true (moral values) by your own perspective?

Again, if that question belongs to anyone, it belongs to everyone. How can you believe in your perspective of reality? On what do you base a belief that your perspective is true?

I don't own that question, however. I don't claim to have a perspective of reality to believe in or a truth. I live a happy life, and I'm happy to do good to and for others. I don't need more than that.
1- That doesn't answer it.
2- If there is no God, there is no good or bad. Everything is just powder.
3- There are plenty of evidences about Christianity. Many historians like Martin Hengel show that, so my morals come from it. The entire base for moral values that human have came from the egipts, greeks and the judaic-christianity culture. Read the epic book from C. S. Lewis called The Abolition of Men.
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Old 11-02-2013, 04:18 PM
 
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Correct, Mightyqueen801.

I'll address this:


I grew up in a strict religious household with domestic violence. My childhood was horrible. I was robbed and cheated out of it.
I turned away from those "values." Atheism made sense to me but it took me until age 19 to realize it.

I know the difference between right and wrong.
I know the difference between right and wrong. -> Based on what? If there is no God, we are just powder. Right and wrong are just metaphors then.
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Old 11-02-2013, 04:29 PM
 
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I don't know.

Note: "I don't know." ≠ "God did it!", any more than our ancestors failure to understand infectious disease (having no knowledge of bacteria and viruses) meant that God was causing a particular malady.



The same reason every society - including those peoples that have no deity-centric religion (and, yes, those cultures do exist) - come up with similar models of good and bad behavior (hint - those societies function better and tend to supercede societies that do not have such models, a sort of cultural natural selection).



Yes, moral values are just human ideas. Happily, humans have the power to reason out those things that are beneficial to individuals, beneficial to society at large, and how to balance those two interests. We quibble (a lot) about the details, but that is only natural. Of course, I know that this idea of reasoning is astonishing to some people, who think humans cannot possibly function without first taking lessons from ancient texts.

Here are some examples of moral values:
Democracy. That's a human idea, and nowhere to be found in the Bible.
Freedom of Speech. That's a human idea, and nowhere to be found in the Bible.
Racial Equality. That's a human idea, and nowhere to be found in the Bible.

I'll point out, as I always do, to those baffled by the idea that the non-religious aren't thieving, raping, murdering lunatics - if your ideas were correct, then we would tend to see higher rates of all manner of immoral behavior in parts of the country that are less religious compared to those parts of the country that are more religious, and in parts of the world that are less religious compared to those parts of the world that are more religious. But we don't.

Have you ever thought to actually look at whether or not your assumptions bear out in the great laboratory we call reality?
I certainly know you never read the epic book from C. S. Lewis called "The Abolition of Man". Check it. I The ideas of democracy, etc, are not in the Bible because these things are politics. Freedom and equality are in the Bible. Science doesn't explain how natural it is. Francis Collins, director of the Human Genome Project, for example, is a Christian who admits that this issue defends the existence of God.
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