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Old 11-03-2013, 02:39 PM
 
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Why do people who are illogical take part in a logical debate? It makes absolutely no sense. There are no real thoughtful answers on this thread. It's kind of amazing.
I'm happy you are contributing merely your in-constructive criticism.
No gods are need nor useful as answer to any of the questions, that is obviously true.

iohanan,

If no good and evil exist outside of God (let's say Hell), then Hell isn't something to worry about since evil doesn't exist in it... it's all just the same (no morals in Hell) to those being tortured by their egotistical Invisible Father (metaphorically not being let into the home during a hellish blizzard because they refuse to acknowledge and worship His Mightiness)

Let the bad keep their religions, if that is all that is stopping us, the good, from having to rid ourself of them inhumanely. If they worship Power so much, then they better look around, because We have the Power; and will fight to maintain it. Let them play pretend, or let them sign pacts with unknown spirits and be wholly fleeced, salted, and consumed. They know not what they do, but they often know what they want; if you want your life safe from our judgement, then you best stay good and play nice.

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Old 11-03-2013, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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I particularly like the passage in Kings II where Yahweh sends two she-bears to maul 42 children to death for making fun of Elisha's baldness.
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"Thall shall not mock the follicly challenged prophets."

That was going to be the 11th Commandment, but Yahweh ran out of room on the second tablet and rather than starting a whole new tablet for just one commandment, he decided to make that one a learn when you violate it sort of thing.
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Old 11-04-2013, 01:19 AM
 
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1- Why is there something rather than nothing (nothing being the non-existence of anything at all)?
Why do you assume "nothing" is the default and the "something" should be what needs explaining? Why should there be nothing?

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2-If there is no God, is there good and evil, also called moral values? (No, there isn't) How could you come to the conclusion that helping is good and killing is bad?
Easily. We live in a human relationship we call "society". There are things we feel are conducive to the success of that project. We call them "good" or "right". There are things we find non-conducive to that project. We label them "bad" or "wrong".

No great mystery is there?
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Old 11-04-2013, 09:29 AM
 
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"Thall shall not mock the follicly challenged prophets."

That was going to be the 11th Commandment, but Yahweh ran out of room on the second tablet and rather than starting a whole new tablet for just one commandment, he decided to make that one a learn when you violate it sort of thing.
No, no, no. Didn't you see History of the World Part 1. It was on the third tablet Moses dropped.
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Old 11-04-2013, 09:36 AM
 
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No, no, no. Didn't you see History of the World Part 1. It was on the third tablet Moses dropped.

History of the World Part 1 (Mel Brooks) - Old Testament - Moses - Ten Commandments - YouTube
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Old 11-04-2013, 08:29 PM
 
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Did you know that the other animals have cooperation and moral sense?


Frans de Waal: Moral behavior in animals - YouTube
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Old 11-06-2013, 09:38 PM
 
Location: KYLE TEXAS
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1- They don't answer that. I know the theories from Hawking and Krauss.

2- Communists killed more than all religions together in just one century. They were not religious at all. It doesn't matter if church fails sometimes or not, the thing is there is no moral values without religion, simply because there is nothing in nature that affirms the values.

3- Pedophily was considered bad by religion, for example. None atheists deffended that before Christ.
i believe hitler killed more *catholic*wasnt he ?
your reasoning is suspect
count over the centuries in all counties and all religions belief in a deity has killed many morepoeple then the short span of russian communism ever could .
catholics dont seem to be able to overcome the *bad* pedophilia rampant in their racks
as i say your reasoning is suspect
are you saying a child before any religion was install in his /her brain dosent know the differance between right and wrong

you are sadly mistaken
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Old 11-09-2013, 10:07 AM
 
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So when you were a kid you wanted to be molested?
What is with the crazy theist posters that come to this forum? They ignore most questions asked of them, and then talk about molesting children.

I'm just giving an example of how this idea wouldn't work without an objective standard for moral values.
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Old 11-09-2013, 10:12 AM
 
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Did you know that the other animals have cooperation and moral sense?


Frans de Waal: Moral behavior in animals - YouTube
They act by instinct. We are rational, not them. They don't know they are doing. Francis Collins, director of the Human Genome Project agrees with me.
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Old 11-09-2013, 06:45 PM
 
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I'm just giving an example of how this idea wouldn't work without an objective standard for moral values.
Christians are never kiddy fiddlers? I think ten thousand Catholic priests would disagree with you.
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