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Old 12-19-2013, 01:09 PM
 
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It sounds well.

Arequipmas and a crappy gnu weir.
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Old 12-19-2013, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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I don't mind it in any way that has anything to do with its religious tie-ins. I find it a stressful time of year to the extent I am forced to deal with obligatory cards and gift exchanges, the ever-earlier "official" and "unofficial" start to the season, the crass commercialism, the interminable syrupy Christmas "Musak" in public spaces, etc. But these are basically critiques of the social and economic aspects of an essentially secular holiday. No one in my immediate family is trying to suck me into the religious aspect, so the religious aspect is just a non-issue to me. There is nothing of significance to bother my atheist sensibilities.
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Old 12-19-2013, 01:17 PM
 
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I have a 'pragmatic' view of Christmas; when your friends can't spend time with you because they are with their family, it's a good time to be with your family as well. So, regardless of your take on historical aspects of the holiday, it works quite well as a 'designated' time for everyone to be with family members, and for that I think it's a good thing despite being a secularist.
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Old 12-19-2013, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Elko, NV
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I grew up religious, but even then the "reason for the season" was largely getting together with family and friends. Now that I have abandoned all personal ties to religion, I still celebrate, partially because all my family and friends celebrate, but also because it is a holiday, regardless of the religious tie-in or history. I don't go to midnight mass, or celebrate the nativity, but I do enjoy some time off work and food and fun with family and friends
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Old 12-19-2013, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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I have a 'pragmatic' view of Christmas; when your friends can't spend time with you because they are with their family, it's a good time to be with your family as well. So, regardless of your take on historical aspects of the holiday, it works quite well as a 'designated' time for everyone to be with family members, and for that I think it's a good thing despite being a secularist.
For purely pragmatic reasons, I have no problem with an agreed-upon weekly "day of rest", either. Same kind of deal. Even though I don't see it as Biblically (or otherwise) mandated, it is just healthy, I think, to recharge one's batteries on a regular basis, so that one can work to live, rather than live to work. As a society, in the West, we mostly have agreed on Sunday as that day (and to a lesser extent, Saturday). I think that's great, even if it got started for largely religious reasons.

Everything we do has complex historical roots, some of them religious or some other form of mindless tradition or convention; that doesn't make them all totally bad or dumb. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
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Old 12-19-2013, 02:32 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Exactly, I have a friend that says this all the time. The Christmas holiday doesn't bother me either, as a Christian I REALLY got into it and now as an agnostic I see it as a reason for friends and family to get together and exchange gifts just because.

I don't decorate like I used to but that's more about getting older and less work than anything else. I just don't think I'll ever get so cynical that I can't glean something good from this time of year.
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Old 12-19-2013, 03:39 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Default Who's Atheist/Agnostic but still doesn't mind Christmas?

I enjoy the festivities and spirit during the holiday season.

I think it's great that people can have fun and joy with all of this knowing that it's based on make-believe things. That's a wonderful human quality.

Maybe this is what all religion will eventually become like.
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Old 12-19-2013, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Type 0.7 Kardashev
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The manger story does nothing for me. I find it trite and boring.

But I do like the secular trappings of Christmas, and I tend to prefer religious Christmas music over the secular silliness. Why? Probably because it is so intense and from the heart - I like that in a lot of art, even that with which I disagree. If it can evoke a powerful emotion, it is often compelling and aesthetically pleasing regardless of the underlying espousition.
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Old 12-19-2013, 05:40 PM
 
Location: SGV, CA
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Beyond a handful of Christmas songs and vestigial nativity decorations, Christmas is already secularized for me anyways.
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Old 12-19-2013, 07:20 PM
 
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The manger story does nothing for me. I find it trite and boring.
That is the problem with birthdays . . . they come around every year. It is easy for that to get boring and trite. Many things become trite . . . especially those that are true because they are always true. Funny how that works.
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