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Old 12-29-2013, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Sitting beside Walden Pond
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Why you've spent post after post insisting that Obama was talking about gangs in big cities outside of Pennsylvania is beyond me.
Because that's where his silly comments seem to apply the best.
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Old 12-29-2013, 05:47 PM
 
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Yep, that is Obama's idea of America.
No, it's the simple truth. Chicago is not all the same. Most of the crime and violence is concentrated in a few neighborhoods and even those neighborhoods have been getting safer despite the media hype.
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Sitting beside Walden Pond
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Most of the crime and violence is concentrated in a few neighborhoods and even those neighborhoods have been getting safer despite the media hype.
I hope that is true.

I might be in that area of Chicago about 2 AM next Saturday. Wanna join me for a stroll to see what Obama's America is like?
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:43 PM
 
Location: The backwoods of Pennsylvania ... unfortunately.
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I hope that is true.

I might be in that area of Chicago about 2 AM next Saturday. Wanna join me for a stroll to see what Obama's America is like?
Why is it "Obama's" America? It's not as if everything went to hell in a handbasket the moment he took the oath of office.
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Old 12-29-2013, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Why is it "Obama's" America? It's not as if everything went to hell in a handbasket the moment he took the oath of office.
Some folks need demons to blame for the ills that flesh is heir to. Unlike Pogo, they can't say, "we've met the enemy, and he is us". It must ever be The Other. Yes, of course ... that's it! Get rid of those stinkin' liberals an' all will be well! Get rid of that Kenyan Socialist Muslim Alien Lizard President and all will be well! Just like it was before HE came along!
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Old 12-29-2013, 09:30 PM
 
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I hope that is true.

I might be in that area of Chicago about 2 AM next Saturday. Wanna join me for a stroll to see what Obama's America is like?
It's NOT Obama's America, but you could take a stroll in Hyde Park where his Chicago home is.

Sorry, I don't live in Chicago anymore because we moved to be near the grandchildren in the Houston area and at my age, I rarely am awake at 2 am anyway.

I taught in Pilsen at Benito Juarez high school. I subbed before that at Roberto Clemente in Little Village. I have a good friend who taught first grade at Dvorak elementary (it has become a math/technology school now, but it was a regular elementary in North Lawndale which has a very high crime rate, but inside the school, you probably would not see that. The student body is 100% black. It is now a magnet, but still not considered a good school). I have another friend who teaches at Steinmetz High School (remember the cheating scandal at the academic decathalon? She was involved in blowing the whistle on that. They have an International Baccalaureate program, but it's still a tough school. It's students are about 70% Hispanic).

Chicago is a huge city. What neighborhood are you planning to be in? Why would you be out strolling at 2 AM anyway? There are plenty of safe places where you could do so, but others not so safe.
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Old 12-30-2013, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Looking over your shoulder
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I've lived in a new area for about a year and a half, and many people here are very religious and outspoken about their beliefs. And in conversations with many people here, it seems they just assume that I OF COURSE believe in god/prayer/Bible etc.

As an example: I work at a hospital, and one of my co-workers became critically ill recently, and spent several days in our ICU. Doctors weren't sure she would survive. Another co-worker was talking with me about our ill colleague, saying things like, "It's completely up to God now. It's all in his hands. We just need to keep praying" And I wanted to say, "Well, I kinda like to think that all of us involved in her health care play a pretty big role in her outcome!" or something to that effect. But I just kept my mouth shut.

Similar conversations happen a lot since I've moved here. I don't know if it's politeness that is keeping me quiet, or if it's a hesitation to "come out of the agnostic closet," or just not wanting to defend my views, or what. I end up feeling like a fake and a coward for not admitting that I don't share their beliefs.

Thoughts or advice on what to say in such situations?
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I think the bible belt of the south live in a cult like environment. If you’re not ONE of THEM you’re in trouble. It makes it difficult to work with others at times. What I don’t understand is why they “pick and choose” something from the bible that “fit” what they want or need at the moment but leave out “all” the “other” parts that conflict with their thoughts or comments.
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Old 12-30-2013, 08:17 AM
 
Location: The backwoods of Pennsylvania ... unfortunately.
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I think the bible belt of the south live in a cult like environment. If you’re not ONE of THEM you’re in trouble. It makes it difficult to work with others at times. What I don’t understand is why they “pick and choose” something from the bible that “fit” what they want or need at the moment but leave out “all” the “other” parts that conflict with their thoughts or comments.
It it cult-like in Aksarben? I've never lived out that way before and I've never actually been there. I was wondering Nlocnil or Ahamo was as bad as some small towns here in Pennsylvania.

I lived here in this little town of 400 or so people once before - back when I was a teen. The first year was miserable because I was an outsider, a non-member of the cult. Bullies, being ostracized, even the teachers favored the local kids over me when it came to discipline. That didn't even have anything to do with my religious beliefs; simply being the new kid was enough.

My second year, I ascended to extreme popularity - no idea how - and I felt as if I led the cult instead of being victimized by it. Being in that position, I can certainly see why being in the cult is appealing. The feeling of belonging, of acceptance, of comaraderie - it is very powerful, almost addicting. Even years later, I would be lying if I said I didn't miss it.

But it can be dangerous, for it allows one to become insulated from the rest of the world; one ends up living in a somewhat make-believe bubble inside of which is an alternate reality. Cults formed on the basis of religion are even more dangerous because there are often penalties for leaving it. Moderator cut: deleted

I suppose that's why atheists are the most mistrusted group in America - the same way I was the most hated person in school for awhile. Cults are inherently mistrustful of outside views and customs.

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Old 12-30-2013, 02:38 PM
 
Location: A tropical island
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I think the bible belt of the south live in a cult like environment. If you’re not ONE of THEM you’re in trouble. It makes it difficult to work with others at times. What I don’t understand is why they “pick and choose” something from the bible that “fit” what they want or need at the moment but leave out “all” the “other” parts that conflict with their thoughts or comments.
Thank you.

I've never previously lived around such vocally religious people. I hear comments all the time, at work, out in public, in my neighborhood. I was shopping at JCPenney a while back, and a store clerk, out of the blue, asks me, "Do you know that Jesus loves you?" I was so flabbergasted that I don't even remember what I said.

It's things like that, where I feel uncomfortable, intruded upon, and I never seem to have an intelligent response ready. I guess I need to work on that!
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Old 12-30-2013, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Looking over your shoulder
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I attend church services maybe once or twice a year at best, and I’m not a member of any one specifically. However I’ve grown up with the influence of religion around me as most people have.

A few years ago, my wife and I attended the memorial service of a friend’s husband that had passed. I wanted to go to “that” church service because it was something different that I had not seen before (to my knowledge) and to pay my respects to his wife. Getting to the point here; while attending the service of “christians”, I observed some very bizarre comments that were being made by the reverend/preacher and later the son of the deceased. Comments that were totally non-christian, actually more hateful and unloving; I guess I did grew up with the understanding that Christ was a loving being and tolerated most anything during his short stay while on earth. So it blew me away to find that these “christians” attending the service were not anything Christlike. Both my wife and I were offended and left asap when the service was over.

That was one of two latest occurrences that continue to make me think about why I’m an agnostic and can’t find a church group that I feel comfortable with. Something that isn’t just another cult. Being around people who claim to be Christian and yet not being Christlike is very disturbing to me. That's my fault for seeing them in a poor light and being less objectionable about their actions and comments.
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