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Old 02-23-2014, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Off topic...but so what. I believe that, a couple of hundred years from now, the Christians will be dismissing all the anti -gay lobby as 'Not real Christians' in the same way as they dismiss all and any atrocity, persecution and holy War which they perpetrated in the past.

We ought to note the names of every single professed Christian, or Christian owned business or Christian - loaded administration who argues that being gay is wrong, sinful and should be legislated against - or who have actually done so.

The Hall of shame should then be maintained forever as a reminder of the evil that religion can do - because religion - based on a couple of lines in OT and Paul's letters - is the main cause why gay rights is still struggling.
The "Hall of Shame" will exist in a detailed historical record in some future evolution of the internet, I think, but it won't matter to revisionists of the future anymore than it does now. The distant past has a "dismissible" air of unreality to anyone but historians who delve into its charms. The minutiae of our age will be "off the radar" of the common man of the distant future. That makes it deniable except to the relative few who take the time and effort to look at it.

Maybe we don't have HD video and news media coverage of the Inquisition, but we have enough to say it is thoroughly documented. That doesn't stop people who would rather forget that it happened from saying, "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain, nothing to see here".

It is too bad that the older we get, the more full of stuff our head is and the harder it is to prioritize it .. that is one reason old folks tend to be thought of as a bit slow and absent minded and forgetful. Society is like that too, both as it gets "older" and as its ability to collect and persist detailed observations grows. By 100 years from now we will probably have the ability to recall every purchase transaction, public utterance and appearance of every nobody in realtime ... and the atrocities of today's theisms will be like a needle in a haystack by comparison. And to the extent people know about them, they can be dismissed as the machinations of a primitive era that we've moved well beyond. "Everybody" will know that children dying of preventable illness and snake handlers refusing medical treatment from snake bites couldn't "possibly" happen in what will then be seen as an enlightened modern era. Therefore, those people couldn't possibly have been "true Christians" and could not possibly serve as an indictment for "modern" Christians who would never, ever do those things, or the other things that apostates of past generations did, like promote unequal rights for gays! Yech, how could you even SAY such a thing?!
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Old 02-23-2014, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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As much as I still respect the religion that I was born into, it made more sense to me to concentrate on being a good person and provider and that's why agnosticism made sense to me. My wife who also came from the same religion considers herself an atheist. Well, I was the black sheep in the family beforehand so when I first told them this, it didn't really make a difference or surprise anyone.
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Old 02-24-2014, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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I never actually announced anything.

One day, someone asked my beliefs and I told them. But it was pretty obvious for years that I wasn't into religion.

Wasn't an issue for my family.
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Old 02-24-2014, 03:20 PM
 
Location: "Arlen" Texas
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I don't think an announcement is necessary. When must I announce other preferences and opinions. Do I have to tell them who I vote for, too? If so, why the private ballot box? Must be a reason for it. Do I have to tell them waht sexual position my husband and I prefer? Or is that our business?
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Old 02-24-2014, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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I don't think an announcement is necessary. When must I announce other preferences and opinions. Do I have to tell them who I vote for, too? If so, why the private ballot box? Must be a reason for it. Do I have to tell them waht sexual position my husband and I prefer? Or is that our business?
I'm sure it's this way in many places in the US, but where I live in Georgia religion isn't one of those things that is a part of private life (like it should be). It's kind of silly to me when people meet someone and ask where they work, went to school, etc. and then say "oh where do you go to Church?" as if to make sure they are not a "lost sheep." Unless they seem to be outwardly expressing their religious views I think asking a stranger their religious views is prying way too much. I think as far as the context of family religious discussions there may be a place for them depending on the nature of the relationship and age of the kids but if it is one's wish to be kept private then I think that's exactly how it should remain...no explanation needed.
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Old 02-26-2014, 02:17 PM
 
Location: "Arlen" Texas
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I'm sure it's this way in many places in the US, but where I live in Georgia religion isn't one of those things that is a part of private life (like it should be). It's kind of silly to me when people meet someone and ask where they work, went to school, etc. and then say "oh where do you go to Church?" as if to make sure they are not a "lost sheep." Unless they seem to be outwardly expressing their religious views I think asking a stranger their religious views is prying way too much. I think as far as the context of family religious discussions there may be a place for them depending on the nature of the relationship and age of the kids but if it is one's wish to be kept private then I think that's exactly how it should remain...no explanation needed.
I couldn't agree more. I live in Texas, definitely bible belt country. But we live close enough to Big D that it's more of a city mentality of minding one's own business. I feel for those who live in smaller communities anywhere and have to claim a belief or a church membership in order to avoid being treated badly by people who think judging, harassing or limiting others in the name of religion is a good thing.

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