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Ah, the semantics! This is why I prefer to say what is meant rather than use a term and let people assume that it means this or that. This is how the trick of equivocation works - by misleading people by using ambiguous wording.
Now, I would think of myself as 'realist' since what can be verified as real is what I base my reasoning on, not on speculations.
However as we see here, 'Realism' can also be applied to the belief that morality has an origin and basis and intrinsic reality apart from human conventions. And that we would certainly be anti.
If you're not a moral anti-realist, then why get upset over labels that don't apply to you?
Because, as I explained, if they do not apply to us, a posted claim that it does apply to us cannot be allowed to stand. At the very least the possible confusion should be negated through clarification of the terms and their applicability.
Because, as I explained, if they do not apply to us, a posted claim that it does apply to us cannot be allowed to stand. At the very least the possible confusion should be negated through clarification of the terms and their applicability.
The following is a textbook morally anti-realistic statement: "We atheists have never claimed that morality was anything more than a set of human rules, mutable and not always immediate."
The following is a textbook morally anti-realistic statement: "We atheists have never claimed that morality was anything more than a set of human rules, mutable and not always immediate."
Are you now denying you ever made such a claim?
please re-read the posts. I did and do say this, and in one sense that is moral anti- realism, though I would not use such a potentially misleading term. In another sense (it has no intrinsic reality of its own apart from human convention - which is what I said in the bit you quoted) it is not moral anti -realism. I am not saying what you said was not so, just that it is a bit open to misinterpretation.
please re-read the posts. I did and do say this, and in one sensethat is moral anti- realism, though I would not use such a potentially misleading term.In another sense (it has no intrinsic reality of its own apart from human convention - which is what I said in the bit you quoted) it is not moral anti -realism. I am not saying what you said was not so, just that it is a bit open to misinterpretation.
Obfuscation, equivocation and internal incoherency, all in one comment. That's pretty impressive, even by your standards.
It's also wrong, of course, because the bolded phrase is a morally anti-realistic statement, despite what you claim.
I must be getting better. That was a pretty quick giving up and playing the Joker 'you are talking nonsense'. Usually someone with your impressive ability to Marshall Jargon can give me more of a run for my money.
Chum, people reading my posts, which incidentally explain your obscurities and show how false and irrelevant they are, will see whether I am talking sense or nonsense.
Faith is not like a muscle that you can develop and strengthen. Faith is something you ask God for and are given. Ask.
You may be right. Mind, though the conversion buy -in happens out of the blue (or so it seems) I have read accounts that suggests that some with a need for 'something more in their lives' will indeed develop their Faith -muscle until finally it Works.
I hope you're also enjoying the lovely weather here.
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This is why I prefer to say what is meant rather than use a term and let people assume that it means this or that. This is how the trick of equivocation works - by misleading people by using ambiguous wording.
Because, as I explained, if they do not apply to us, a posted claim that it does apply to us cannot be allowed to stand. At the very least the possible confusion should be negated through clarification of the terms and their applicability.
