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Old 04-03-2014, 05:37 AM
 
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The first goal of most religions is to furnish an explanation for virtually everything encountered or imagined in life.

And very soon after that a second goal emerges for the religion's specialists (i.e. priests, shamans, rabbis, etc.), and that is control over the believers.
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Old 04-03-2014, 07:10 AM
 
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You pose an interesting question. A student of history might wonder at all the misery inflicted upon one group by another, all in the name of a religious institution (variable with different historical events). A curious student might wonder about the merits of one religion over another. The possibilities are endless but one thing is for sure - religion, love, (fill in the blank here) is all what you make it to be. The individuals who perceive religion to be controlling or binding, are clearly of a much different mindset from others who rejoice in and live for the structure and ceremony of it all.
One thing's for sure - be comfortable with your choices and everything else will fall into place.
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Old 04-03-2014, 07:26 AM
 
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Religion as I said is irrelevant.

1 John 4:7 (King James Version)

7Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

John 17:3 (King James Version)

3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
I do not understand why you include series of quotes from an organized religion right after explaining that religion is irrelevant.
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Old 04-03-2014, 07:58 AM
 
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I do not understand why you include series of quotes from an organized religion right after explaining that religion is irrelevant.
If you begin from the premise that everything that Mystic posts is either peddling his religious views or preparing the ground for it, you won't go far astray.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:04 AM
 
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If you begin from the premise that everything that Mystic posts is either peddling his religious views or preparing the ground for it, you won't go far astray.
Well, aren't we all here peddling our views on religious matters?

My question is more likely to lead to Denial Fest '14. It is asserted that only embracing Jesus is necessary, no organized religion is needed. This is countered by pointing out that without the organization of Christianity, none of us would even have ever heard of Jesus, he would have been one more failed prophet from an era where failed prophets proliferated. This would be countered by a claim that even without Christianity, somehow or other Jesus would still have been discovered and embraced. That would be countered by an expression of extreme skepticism which would be countered by an extreme claim of special investigative powers or properties which allow one to "know" Jesus. That would be countered by pointing out that such an assertion is backed only by a claim which cannot be distinguished from other psychotropic event or any other similar claim by anyone else.

And we've already done this dance.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:13 AM
 
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Religion..I'd suggest at its simplest a building of a 'community' as in other valuable human endeavors involving creed and purpose. We are at bottom individual beings but we do look to 'connect' with others in varuous discourse. I think we're 'wired' for that.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:39 AM
 
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Well, aren't we all here peddling our views on religious matters?

My question is more likely to lead to Denial Fest '14. It is asserted that only embracing Jesus is necessary, no organized religion is needed. This is countered by pointing out that without the organization of Christianity, none of us would even have ever heard of Jesus, he would have been one more failed prophet from an era where failed prophets proliferated. This would be countered by a claim that even without Christianity, somehow or other Jesus would still have been discovered and embraced. That would be countered by an expression of extreme skepticism which would be countered by an extreme claim of special investigative powers or properties which allow one to "know" Jesus. That would be countered by pointing out that such an assertion is backed only by a claim which cannot be distinguished from other psychotropic event or any other similar claim by anyone else.

And we've already done this dance.
Oh yes we are, and Mystic is as entitled to put his views as much as You or I. Since you seemed to not see what we was getting at, I cleared away the undergrowth to show which way the path was going, so to speak.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:42 AM
 
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Religion..I'd suggest at its simplest a building of a 'community' as in other valuable human endeavors involving creed and purpose. We are at bottom individual beings but we do look to 'connect' with others in various discourse. I think we're 'wired' for that.
I agree. We are hard -wired to build communities and religion is indeed part of that. My take on that of course is that it it comes from humans and their hard-wired instincts. It does not come from anywhere else. But I know others will disagree.
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Old 04-03-2014, 12:10 PM
 
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I'm loving these answers so far!! I'm learning a lot from you all!
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Old 04-03-2014, 12:13 PM
 
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The first goal of most religions is to furnish an explanation for virtually everything encountered or imagined in life.

And very soon after that a second goal emerges for the religion's specialists (i.e. priests, shamans, rabbis, etc.), and that is control over the believers.
This.
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