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Old 04-04-2014, 06:59 PM
 
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I do not understand why you include series of quotes from an organized religion right after explaining that religion is irrelevant.
My views are predicated on information gleaned from the entire "spiritual fossil record" about God . . . NOT a religion. I have identified a source that epitomizes the nature of God that I encounter. I have little use for the religions that have grown up around Him because they have corrupted His message and present a stumbling block to knowing God.
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Old 04-04-2014, 07:20 PM
 
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Control ultimately. Also it's a coping mechanism, a comfort.
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Old 04-04-2014, 07:55 PM
 
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My views are predicated on information gleaned from the entire "spiritual fossil record" about God . . . NOT a religion. I have identified a source that epitomizes the nature of God that I encounter. I have little use for the religions that have grown up around Him because they have corrupted His message and present a stumbling block to knowing God.
I understand that, my question was why, if you reject the organized religion which grew around Jesus, you are using quotes from that organized religion to support your view of Jesus. You reject the source but without it your own beliefs would be impossible. I suppose that your claimed proof of a god would remain, but it would be absent any specific knowledge of Jesus because were it not for that organized religion, none of us would even have heard of Jesus.
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Old 04-04-2014, 08:01 PM
 
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I understand that, my question was why, if you reject the organized religion which grew around Jesus, you are using quotes from that organized religion to support your view of Jesus. You reject the source but without it your own beliefs would be impossible. I suppose that your claimed proof of a god would remain, but it would be absent any specific knowledge of Jesus because were it not for that organized religion, none of us would even have heard of Jesus.
This is quite a silly concern. It assumes that nothing in the religion has merit. I find this all-or-nothing mentality is all too prevalent within religions . . . sad to see it even outside. Of course . . . absent the descriptions of Jesus in the Bible I would never have connected Him to the consciousness I encounter in deep meditation. That is like saying the Sun seems to rise in the east and set in the west.
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Old 04-04-2014, 08:34 PM
 
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This is quite a silly concern. It assumes that nothing in the religion has merit. I find this all-or-nothing mentality is all too prevalent within religions . . . sad to see it even outside. Of course . . . absent the descriptions of Jesus in the Bible I would never have connected Him to the consciousness I encounter in deep meditation. That is like saying the Sun seems to rise in the east and set in the west.
The above assumes that you have some advanced ability to discriminate among the New Testament texts, identifying authentic from bogus. You elect to believe that your process leads to unassailable proof, to those of us not inside your brain, you appear to be just expressing your own preferences.
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Old 04-04-2014, 09:43 PM
 
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The above assumes that you have some advanced ability to discriminate among the New Testament texts, identifying authentic from bogus. You elect to believe that your process leads to unassailable proof, to those of us not inside your brain, you appear to be just expressing your own preferences.
That would be because you do not believe me when I say that the consciousness I encounter is within every human consciousness. It is just not accessed or believed or it is overridden by "precepts and doctrines of men" and disregarded.
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Old 04-04-2014, 11:31 PM
 
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I've never known a truly intelligent person who was deeply religious. People who are sufficiently intellectual realize by the time they're about 10 years old that all this religious stuff is absurd.
That statement is more of a comment on who you know than anything else. There are many very smart people who are (or were, while alive) religious. I personally don't get it, but it is a powerful indication about how fallible the human mind is and how pernicious religion can be.
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Old 04-05-2014, 02:25 AM
 
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it's all about herding people in one direction, based on fear. Fear of the sheep getting out of control, the fear of the sheep that's within them "what happens after we die, why are we here, how are we supposed to behave ?" It's a cult like any other, political, religious...
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Old 04-05-2014, 05:37 AM
 
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The first goal of most religions is to furnish an explanation for virtually everything encountered or imagined in life.


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And very soon after that a second goal emerges for the religion's specialists (i.e. priests, shamans, rabbis, etc.), and that is control over the believers.
3. Separate the believers from their money and resources.

4. Produces new believers.

5. Repeat steps 1 through 4
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Old 04-05-2014, 11:07 AM
 
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Perhaps the numbers are slated toward above level intelligence = more likelihood of being agnostic/atheist, but to say you have never known a single truly intelligent person who "deeply believed" must be coincidental and it is, naturally anecdotal. I personally have not found this to be the case.
A good opinion. Perhaps the poster who said he was 'ashamed' at one time for his belief should be aware of it.
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